Oh, and if anyone is just reall bored, I have the rocco cam up which can be located at http://www.kuklanet.com:82/cam.htm This is the one will all the fancy controls that lets you move the camera around. So have fun with it, but no movement wars please. William Snyder 88' Scirocco 16v 89' Cabriolet 8v 71' Karmann Ghia