Can a relay go bad? (heat soak related) UPDATE!!!!!

[nightmare16v1988 at hotmail.com (Krazy Horse)]

I have the same issue with my Golf. It also is an Automajik. IIRC the 
problem, according to VW or Bosche, is a poor ground connection. If the car 
doesn't start, unhook the wire from the starter going to the ignition switch 
(you might have to cut it and install a connector for ease, VW put one there 
on my Golf). Take the wire from the starter and touch it to B+. This will 
hotwire the starter, just remember to have the ignition switch to "ON". 
Always starts when the key doesn't do it.

-Craig
'83 California Edition (RIP)
"Nightmare" '88 16v (PG-T Proj.)
"Calypso" '91 Golf GL (Daily Driver)




>From: Neptuno <neptunonc@yahoo.com>
>To: Neptuno <neptunonc@yahoo.com>, "John C. Worden" 
<scirocco@prexar.com>,  scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Can a relay go bad? (heat soak related) UPDATE!!!!!
>Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:29:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--- Neptuno <neptunonc@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- "John C. Worden" <scirocco@prexar.com> wrote:
> > > At 04:14 PM 6/21/04, Neptuno wrote:
> > >
> > > >--- "John C. Worden" 
<scirocco@prexar.com> wrote:
> > > > > Is this car an automatic?
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > >
> > > >Yes it is!!!...and nothing from the penutt
> > > galery...
> > > >
> > > Hmm, it can be the relay then if it's getting
> > tired
> > > or it too is
> > > getting hot, but it wouldn't surprise me if your
> > > starter is going
> > > bad either.  It's usually the solenoid that goes
> > > fwiw.
> >
> > Im going to check the conections and replace the
> > relay. Like ATS did with a radiator fan relay aprox
> > $3.95
> >
> > I do hope that it is not the starter. I while back I
> > let go of an ebay sale for a starter for Auto
> > Scirocco(it went for $13.00). You dont see those
> > everyday unused and cheap.....
> >
> > Oh well I should keep you guys updated....BTW do the
> > auto sciroccos have a special type of heat shield on
> > the starter? ANyone have a pic?
> >
> > Gracias,
> > Tony
>
>***START UPDATE****
>
>So when I first started this thread I was unaware what
>was going on with my car and the starter. Mynd you the
>Roc-Roc is Automatic.
>
>Problem:
>1)Car would not start after driving at continued
>crusing, high way speeds.
>2) after stoping the car would not crank unless it sat
>for 30 to 60 minutes.
>
>Possible cause:
>1)Heat soak from engine bay to the starter.
>2)Crappy starter
>3)Crappy wiring
>4)Lack of heat Shield
>
>Possible Solution:
>1)Wire the starter to a Relay (bosch WR-1)
>2)Buy new starter
>3)Replace wires both + and - for better electrical
>flow
>4)Get a heat shield in place
>
>Conclusion:
>Many automatics where wired with the WR-1 kit that
>bosch provided as to give more juice to the starters
>that where engulfed by the heat caused by the
>automatic transmission and the taking off of the heay
>shield.
>
>Using this relay is a smart idea. I found out that my
>car had been relayed and after looking for a
>replacement I found a cheap 30 AMP $4.00 relay for Fog
>lights.(buy an extra they are cheap) It was Identical
>to the Bosch one with the exception of the price.
>
>I replaced only the relay and when on a 45 minute
>drive at crusing speed and stop then started the car
>again.....Bingo the car cranked right up even with
>tepms on the 115*cel.
>
>Just wanted to share that.
>
>Arrancando cuando caliente,
>Tony.
>
>
>
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