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HELP! computer gurus... (fwd)



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Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:19:19 -0600 (CST)
From: stetson <tim@unrealexpectations.ath.cx>
Reply-To: stetson@unrealexpectations.ath.cx
To: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
Cc: Michael Abatzis <abatzis2@hotmail.com>,
     scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: Re: HELP! computer gurus...

Hi All,

Good suggestions have been supplied by all but there is one consideration
that I have yet to see anyone address.

NTFS file system.

With all the disk swapping and/or boot disk advice one thing you have to
consider is if your hard drive is formatted in NTFS (the default file
system for Windows NT, 2K, and XP).
The boot disk option will not work if it's not a special DOS/9X disk w/
NTFS drivers. There is a way to make a 2k/XP boot disk but you need to
copy files from your hard drive to make it work, and that doesn't seem to
be an option here.
If you are going to try to put the disk into another machine to read it,
it will have to be at least 2k/XP machine (this SHOULD work w/ 2K but
every NT based NTFS file system is a little different and a newer version
can read all the previous versions, but a previous version [2k] cannot
necessarily read a newer version [XP]) and not a Windows 9X/ME machine.

If the culprit is the Master Boot Record you may be able to boot the
machine with the XP installation CD and do some rather arcane stuff w/
the "Command Console" option but it is not a procedure I care to try
to stuff into an email ATM.

Post back about where this "no disk found" is during the boot procedure as
was suggested earlier in the thread and I'm sure one of us will be able to
help you!

G/L!!!!!!

Tim



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On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Ryan H wrote:

> Just throwing more things out there:
> Is the replacement HD on the same channel as the bad one was?  I.E. Primary master?  If not, put it there just to make sure it's not the controller.  Never seen it myself, but I believe it would be possible to fry only one channel of an IDE controller.
>
> >
> > From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 05:47:28 EST
> > To: rhock99@epix.net
> > Subject: Re: HELP! computer gurus...
> >
> >
> > >From: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
> > >Allyn's suggestions are great... but just for ease's sake, take that drive
> > >out and try it in another computer FIRST.  If it works on a different
> > >computer, it's your mainboard.  If not, it's the hard-drive.
> > >Alternatively, if you have another hard drive, take out the *bad* one and
> > >put the spare in.  If that works, then it's the hard drive.
> >
> > did #2, other drive works fine (see? i'm using it now)
> >
> > >BTW - by not detected, do you mean it physically said on the screen
> > >"Checking IDE 1... No Devices Found" (or something along those lines).  Or
> > >did it just go to a black screen with "Disk Not Found".  Scenario A is a
> > >hardware issue, scenario B is a software issue (Master Boot Record bad).  I
> > >hope it's B, but don't worry - we can rescue you if it's A.  From here,
> > >follow Allyn's suggestions.
> >
> > nope, it's scenario a. shit. i'm looking on ebay now...thanks,
> >
> > -Michael Abatzis
> > New Orleans!
> > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP
> > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > From: "Allyn" <amalventano@sc.rr.com>
> > > > Date: 2004/01/08 Thu PM 04:44:01 EST
> > > > To: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>,
> > > > 	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: HELP! computer gurus...
> > > >
> > > > i got your back, mike:
> > > >
> > > > sounds like the hard drive interface (on the drive itself) fried,
> > >causing xp
> > > > to freeze. some p2p programs tax the drive quite a bit (with multiple
> > > > simultaneous random accesses), and if it was on the threshold of
> > >failing,
> > > > p2p just took it past that point.
> > > >
> > > > 1. see if you can get the drive detected again. eliminate things like
> > >the
> > > > controller, cables, etc. worst case, put the drive as a second drive on
> > >a
> > > > completely different computer, to eliminate all of the other stuff.
> > > >
> > > > 2. if the drive cannot be detected *no matter what*, search ebay for the
> > > > drive model, buy the drive, when it shows up, swap the drive mainboards
> > >(on
> > > > the bottom), and the drive should work.
> > > >
> > > > 3. if the drive eventually gets recognized, all should re-appear with
> > >all
> > > > partitions in-tact (since the drive went down 'hard', nothing really got
> > >a
> > > > chance to become corrupted.
> > > >
> > > > if other things have gotten messed up, just lemme know, there are plenty
> > >of
> > > > alternate routes that you may end up having to take (including a disc
> > >swap),
> > > > but realize that it IS possible to get the data back. its on the disc,
> > >just
> > > > gotta find a way to read it.
> > > >
> > > > hth
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> > > > 87 Rieger Scirocco GTO 2.0 16v (daily driver, 190k, rocco #6)
> > > > 86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX (30% complete, rocco #7)
> > > > 86.5 Occo 16v Trailer (rocco #8)
> > > > 90 Passat GL 16V (the wifes new daily, 190k)
> > > > 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (wifes daily, 290k) **FOR SALE**
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 4:31 PM
> > > > Subject: OT: HELP! computer gurus...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > while using a new p2p program (shareaza) my computer (ms xp) froze.
> > >when i
> > > > > rebooted, my pri master hard drive was no longer detected.  i'm
> > >thinking
> > > > i'm
> > > > > sol at this point, and have no idea how to proceed. in addition to 10
> > >gigs
> > > > > of music, and tons of personal stuff that i can't even remember, i'm
> > >out
> > > > > about 2 years worth of digital pics, which are needless to say
> > > > > irreplaceable.  i'm guessing i'll need some sort of data recovery
> > >people,
> > > > > but again, don't know where to go with this.  if anyone can help me
> > >*at
> > > > > all*, please lmk. thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > > > New Orleans!
> > > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP
> > > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -Michael Abatzis
> > > > > New Orleans!
> > > > > 1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP
> > > > > 1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...
> > > > >
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