[way ot] superbowl

[MAWeiler at LancasterGeneral.org (Weiler, Michael A)]

I believe you missed the topic.....it WAS about what happened at the
super bowl.......everyone else made it major political. He corrected
everyone and said it really has nothing to do with gays,slavery,and our
society. He just stated the truth....I did not see anything about his
beliefs one way or the other.......

"Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This has nothing do to with war, nothing to do with hunger, it has to 
> do with living within the rules of our society, like it or not.

Partial quote mistaken


You know, I was going to keep out of this but I can't resist.  It's
complete BS to blame a lot of the reaction to JJ's right breast on our
culture and history.  It's further BS to say that our value system is
screwed up.  This has nothing do to with war, nothing to do with hunger,
it has to do with living within the rules of our societly, like it or
not.  Face it, flawed though our country may be, it is what it is - deal
with it.  Having JJ and that doofus next to her conspire to flash us
all, along with the suggestive nature of the halftime show, insulted and
angered me. 
It was NOT what I expected (or prepared for) - I was there to watch a
FOOTBALL GAME (and the ads).  Face it, the so-called 'entertainment' was
well off-base.  

It's NOT the US culture's fault, it's NOT our "screwed up value system."
It's the fault of a couple of Hollywood jackasses in an immature (and
successful) attempt to get some press.  And it's NOT what I want my
5-year old sitting next to me watching.  Had I been prepared for it,
well, then I could have planned.  

JJ and Justin deserve what they get, and vise versa.

Thus spake the Cheapass.

Ron


If you are going to coment on what he said include what he said......

He said nothing about Gays/slavery/or the status of our society....read
it again.....its about a tit at a football game.....NOT anything
else....


-----Original Message-----
From: Kent McLean [mailto:kentmclean@mindspring.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 11:00 AM
To: Scirocco
Subject: Re: [way ot] superbowl


"Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This has nothing do to with war, nothing to do with hunger, it has to 
> do with living within the rules of our societly, like it or not.

So you are saying the Lincoln was wrong in fighting the
Civil War? He should have accepted the rules of
society that permitted slavery? That Lincoln was wrong
in his Emancipation Proclamation, changing the rules of
society with which he could not live? And that the
Nineteenth Amendment is wrong, that we shouldn't have
changed society's rules and given women the right to vote?
Ask the mother of your son how she feels about that.

I don't have to ask where you stand on gay marriages.
In Massachusetts, on May 17th, gays will be allowed to
marry, and be allowed the same rights and privileges you
and your wife enjoy.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2004/02/05/offic
ials_state_legislators_ponder_their_next_moves/
It is obvious that the state's Supreme Judicial Court doesn't want live
within the rules of society. Let me correct that: doesn't live within
the rules that *you* think society should have.

Society changes. Mores change. Rules change. You have
the freedom to be outraged by that and to make your
displeasure known because you are an American. One
could also argue that JJ has the freedom to express herself, even if
you find it offensive, also because she is an American.

If you can get enough people to agree with you, you can
elect officials who will outlaw such expressions. Maybe
they will even enact laws that women should show no skin
in public, such as it is the rule of society in Iraq.  Maybe the women
will band together and elect officials that will enact laws that men
must not show their breasts in public. Or that men must be completely
covered, too. It could happen.  I hope it doesn't.

You also wrote:
> it's NOT what I want my 5-year old sitting next
> to me watching.  Had I been prepared for it, well,
> then I could have planned.

Yes, you could have played Mortal Kombat instead.

Peace,
Kent


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