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WAS: Tightening head bolts , NOW: torque wrenches
I have a bad back so I slide block inside engine bay secure it to car, slip
transmission on and make sure everything is nice and mounted and then I put
my head on... Oh yeah I use a NEW clicker (less than 1 year age) when I
torque the bolts to keep it accurate.
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-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 6:24 AM
To: rocco16v@netzero.net; mr.utility@highstream.net; treed2@wsu.edu
Cc: chris24g@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org; jtoomasson@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: WAS: Tightening head bolts , NOW: torque wrenches
I have a beam type but to tighten the head bolts, I borrowed a clicker
type.With the amount of torque needed to seal the gasket its a LOT easier to
just feel and hear the click then to stay over the top of the beam and read
it.
And the engine was on a stand. I put one foot on the rear wheel bar and
REALLY leaned into it. But it came out all right. It was easier to do in the
car.....
Julie Macfarlane
1981 MKI 2L 16v
Amsterdam NY
>From: "L F" <rocco16v@netzero.net>
>To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>,"T. Reed"
><treed2@wsu.edu>
>CC: chris gonzalez <chris24g@yahoo.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org, Jeff
>Toomasson <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>
>Subject: WAS: Tightening head bolts , NOW: torque wrenches
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:25:11 -0800
>
>Neither is necessarily more accurate in daily use (although my nod
>would go to a recently-calibrated clicker), but the clicker certainly
>is easier to use and as anyone who has studied manufacturing knows, the
>easier it is to use.. the easier it is to use RIGHT.
>This is once case where I vote for new technology over old skool.
>
>Larry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Utley
> To: T. Reed
> Cc: chris gonzalez ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org ; Jeff Toomasson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Tightening head bolts on engine stand?
>
>
> Ah, but the pointer type gets out calibration because of use, not
>improper
> storage... :-)
>
> Those pointer types get weaker and weaker with use, so therefore the
>more you
> use it, the likely you are to be under-torquing...
>
> At least, this is what I have been told (by folks much smarter than
>I)...
> --
> Regards,
> David Utley
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>
> Quoting "T. Reed" <treed2@wsu.edu>:
>
> > Have to agree with their preference.
> >
> > The clicker type always seem to click AFTER the bolt breaks. And
>if you
> > leave them sitting without returning the dial to the zero position
>they
> > get out of calibration.
> >
> > The pointer type shows you exactly what you're putting on the bolt
>as its
> > happening. It's "analog" and the clicker type is "digital".
> >
> > Heh, I'm a nerd.
> >
> > -Toby
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2004, chris gonzalez wrote:
> >
> > > Ah, yes I was using raceware studs/fasteners on my diesel. Make
>sure you
> > chase the threads and blow out the bolt holes, or your torque
>readings will
> > be different for each bolt. Oh, and raceware themselves recommend
>using the
> > beam type torque wrench vs. click or dial torque wrenches. They
>went as far
> > as to say they recommend NOT using click or dial wrenches.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff Toomasson <jtoomasson@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > My worry was whether lifting with the stretch bolts partially
>torqued
> > would
> > > damage them any...
> > >
> > > The 180' turn comes directly from the Bentley and only applies
>to stretch
> > > bolts (which BTW should be done with the breaker bar and NOT the
>torque
> > > wrench! :) IIRC, Diesels use head studs because of the ultra high
> > > compression. Gas engines using studs like ARP or Raceware need to be
> > > retorqued too...
> > >
> > > JT
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "chris gonzalez"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 9:34 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tightening head bolts on engine stand?
> > >
> > >
> > > > just snug them to 20lbs and torque it in the car.but 180?
>where did the
> > > extra half turn come from? I just did the head gasket on my
>diesel and the
> > > process was 20lbs, 40lbs, 50lbs, warm up the car then retorque
>to 50lbs.
> > 180
> > > degrees more would have been more like 80lbs of torque.
> > > >
> > > >
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