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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
Yeah, that's my job! MINE! :-P
David Utley
"Feeling funny, and I don't know why..."
Quoting Patrick Bureau <ats@longcoeur.com>:
> Jeff, I was teasing..lol I don't take offence easily..
>
> -
> ATS - Patrick Bureau - http://ats.longcoeur.com -
> A1 eBay Sales: http://tinyurl.com/22e5b
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>
> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->From: Jeff Toomasson [mailto:area53@validpath.com]
> ->Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:33 AM
> ->To: Patrick Bureau
> ->Cc: 'scirocco list'
> ->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> ->
> ->Well - now that's not very polite...Since when are you
> ->offended about my reference to one of the list's most
> ->consistent truths??
> ->
> ->It's all in good fun. Sorry if I struck a nerve.
> ->
> ->JT
> ->----- Original Message -----
> ->From: "Patrick Bureau" <ats@longcoeur.com>
> ->To: "'Jeff Toomasson'" <area53@validpath.com>; "'Brian McGarvey'"
> -><brianm@earendel.org>; "'David Utley'" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> ->Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> ->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 9:36 PM
> ->Subject: RE: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> ->
> ->
> ->> Oh bite me Jeff.
> ->>
> ->> -
> ->> ATS - Patrick Bureau - http://ats.longcoeur.com -
> ->> A1 eBay Sales: http://tinyurl.com/22e5b
> ->>
> ->>
> ->> ->-----Original Message-----
> ->> ->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> ->> ->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of
> ->Jeff Toomasson
> ->> ->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:54 PM
> ->> ->To: Brian McGarvey; David Utley
> ->> ->Cc: 'scirocco list'
> ->> ->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> ->> ->
> ->> ->Brian - Did Patrick hi-jack your computer?? It's only so
> ->> ->often that someone conjures up spelling mistakes that butcher
> ->> ->up a sentence to the point it's complete void of
> ->> ->understandability... :p
> ->> ->
> ->> ->(ducking) JT
> ->> ->----- Original Message -----
> ->> ->From: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
> ->> ->To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> ->> ->Cc: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>; "'scirocco list'"
> ->> -><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> ->> ->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:53 PM
> ->> ->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> ->> ->
> ->> ->
> ->> ->> how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong
> ->> ->w/ an IMPACT
> ->> ->> gun, and a drill.
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long
> ->> ->phillips that comes
> ->> ->> in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
> ->> ->> put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a
> ->> ->fair bit. the
> ->> ->> scredriver is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous
> ->> ->cause its
> ->> ->> metal.
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> ->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> ->> ->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> ->> ->> IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
> ->> ->> ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there
> ->missed this.
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the
> ->> ->spark plugs
> ->> ->> out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the
> ->> ->object come up.
> ->> ->> you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
> ->> ->> when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt
> ->cover and the
> ->> ->> harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and
> ->> ->that arrow up
> ->> ->> on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on
> ->> ->theflywheel). Now
> ->> ->> that object in the sparkplug hole can be remove and put
> ->> ->back in your tool
> ->> ->> box.
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the
> ->> ->dot and hack in
> ->> ->> it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the
> ->> ->flywheel on. The
> ->> ->> bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right
> ->> ->at the tick
> ->> ->> mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
> ->> ->> Brian
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
> ->> ->>
> ->> ->> > Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the
> ->> ->dist. issue, and
> ->> ->I will
> ->> ->> > take the flywheel issue into account. If you are
> ->right about the
> ->> ->flywheel,
> ->> ->> > then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at
> ->TDC. BTW, the
> ->> ->harmonic
> ->> ->> > balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can
> ->> ->it be improperly
> ->> ->> > installed too? :-(
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the
> ->> ->top end so that
> ->> ->I
> ->> ->> > could time the cams properly. Don is off on errands, and
> ->> ->I am left here
> ->> ->> > scratching my head. I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise
> ->> ->me, but if the
> ->> ->info.
> ->> ->> > is there, I cannot find it... To the point---How do I
> ->> ->adjust the timing
> ->> ->of the
> ->> ->> > cams? I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o
> ->> ->specific instruction,
> ->> ->I
> ->> ->> > remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam
> ->> ->because he did not
> ->> ->tighten
> ->> ->> > the caps down in the correct order. That may be apples
> ->> ->to my oranges,
> ->> ->but I
> ->> ->> > would rather be cautious than fool-hardy... The marks on
> ->> ->the cams were
> ->> ->indeed
> ->> ->> > off, and not facing each other...
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > I apologize for the hand-holding... :-)
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > Cheers?
> ->> ->> > David Utley
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> ->> ->> >
> ->> ->> > > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's
> ->> ->supposed to if
> ->> ->the
> ->> ->> > > dowel pins have been removed previously by some
> ->> ->hack...Also, some
> ->> ->> > > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems
> ->> ->you don't have
> ->> ->this
> ->> ->> > > issue).
> ->> ->> > >
> ->> ->> > > With regards to the second distro installation config,
> ->> ->look at the
> ->> ->distro
> ->> ->> > > location with it removed - you should see four bolt
> ->> ->holes as opposed
> ->> ->to two.
> ->> ->> > > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite
> ->> ->engaging the
> ->> ->cam.
> ->> ->> > > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening
> ->> ->config's. You'll
> ->> ->just have
> ->> ->> > > to experiment with each pair once you start running.
> ->> ->I'm 85% confident
> ->> ->that
> ->> ->> > > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first
> ->> ->time I did my
> ->> ->2L
> ->> ->> > > swap...
> ->> ->> > >
> ->> ->> > > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a
> ->second set put
> ->> ->there...
> ->> ->> > >
> ->> ->> > > G/L - Jeff
> ->> ->> > > ----- Original Message -----
> ->> ->> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> ->> ->> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
> ->> ->> > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> ->> ->> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
> ->> ->> > > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need
> ->help ASAP..
> ->> ->> > >
> ->> ->> > >
> ->> ->> > > > No, not trite... I have not played with the 16Vs
> ->> ->nearly as much as
> ->> ->their
> ->> ->> > > high-
> ->> ->> > > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning... :-)
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > More comments/questions below...
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > Dave -
> ->> ->> > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all
> ->> ->suspicious about the
> ->> ->timing,
> ->> ->> > > I'd
> ->> ->> > > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can
> ->> ->eliminate that
> ->> ->from
> ->> ->> > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled
> ->> ->the setup in
> ->> ->the
> ->> ->> > > first
> ->> ->> > > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the
> ->> ->way to remove the
> ->> ->> > > timing
> ->> ->> > > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you
> ->> ->should check the
> ->> ->cam
> ->> ->> > > timing
> ->> ->> > > > > too! sorry... :)
> ->> ->> > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
> ->> ->> > > > >
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on
> ->> ->the flywheel.
> ->> ->THe
> ->> ->> > > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that
> ->> ->they can only
> ->> ->go on
> ->> ->> > > one
> ->> ->> > > > way, right? In other words, if I check for TDC by
> ->> ->using #1 piston
> ->> ->> > > movement,
> ->> ->> > > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on
> ->> ->the bell-housing
> ->> ->at the
> ->> ->> > > same
> ->> ->> > > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can
> ->> ->be screwed in to
> ->> ->allow
> ->> ->> > > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the
> ->distro a tad
> ->> ->loose.
> ->> ->> > > While
> ->> ->> > > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running),
> ->> ->rotate the distro
> ->> ->until
> ->> ->> > > you
> ->> ->> > > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic
> ->> ->friend prolly will.
> ->> ->I
> ->> ->> > > will
> ->> ->> > > > show it to him and see if he understands...
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > Thanks for the help...
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > David Utley
> ->> ->> > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> ->> ->> > > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> ->> ->> > > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> ->> ->> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
> ->> ->> > > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need
> ->> ->help ASAP..
> ->> ->> > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > > Hello all,
> ->> ->> > > > > > I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask,
> ->wooohhoooo!
> ->> ->> > > > > > The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a
> ->> ->Passat 2.0 16V
> ->> ->and
> ->> ->> > > > > Scirocco
> ->> ->> > > > > > CIS-E FI...
> ->> ->> > > > > > Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to
> ->> ->run, despite the
> ->> ->P.O.s
> ->> ->> > > best
> ->> ->> > > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong. The
> ->> ->thing would start
> ->> ->and
> ->> ->> > > run,
> ->> ->> > > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle
> ->to get it to
> ->> ->accelerate,
> ->> ->> > > and
> ->> ->> > > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD... Since it would not
> ->> ->accelerate easily
> ->> ->at all,
> ->> ->> > > we
> ->> ->> > > > > > began to look at the timing. After removing #1
> ->> ->spark plug and
> ->> ->> > > checking
> ->> ->> > > > > for
> ->> ->> > > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could
> ->> ->not be seen), we
> ->> ->saw
> ->> ->> > > that
> ->> ->> > > > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth. We fixed that and
> ->> ->reinstalled,
> ->> ->and ran
> ->> ->> > > it
> ->> ->> > > > > > up. It ran much better, but it still was not
> ->> ->right. We then
> ->> ->checked
> ->> ->> > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be
> ->> ->advanced any more
> ->> ->because
> ->> ->> > > > > there
> ->> ->> > > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots.
> ->> ->Also, the timing
> ->> ->mark
> ->> ->> > > on
> ->> ->> > > > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on
> ->> ->the valve
> ->> ->cover. It
> ->> ->> > > is
> ->> ->> > > > > > retarded about half a tooth. These two
> ->things lead us to
> ->> ->believe
> ->> ->> > > that
> ->> ->> > > > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly. Does
> ->> ->that seem like
> ->> ->what is
> ->> ->> > > > > > happening here? The trouble that we now
> ->> ->experience is that the
> ->> ->thing
> ->> ->> > > > > still
> ->> ->> > > > > > does not want to rev like it really should. It
> ->> ->still sputters a
> ->> ->bit,
> ->> ->> > > esp.
> ->> ->> > > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth
> ->> ->the effort of
> ->> ->re-timing
> ->> ->> > > the
> ->> ->> > > > > > cams... I think the answer is yes, but I too am
> ->> ->interested in
> ->> ->what
> ->> ->> > > all
> ->> ->> > > > > you
> ->> ->> > > > > > think needs to be done...
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick
> ->> ->ones, as we
> ->> ->will be
> ->> ->> > > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon
> ->> ->Sunday, central
> ->> ->time...
> ->> ->> > > > > Thanks
> ->> ->> > > > > > very much for your time!
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > > Cheers!
> ->> ->> > > > > > David Utley
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > > PS-- A first! Although I have 7 VWs, I will for
> ->> ->the first time
> ->> ->have
> ->> ->> > > 1.5
> ->> ->> > > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo! :)
> ->> ->> > > > > >
> ->> ->> > > > > >
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> ->> ->> Brian
> ->> ->> 88 16v $2004 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
> ->> ->> 84 0v Next years car? mid engine... maybe we'll see
> ->> ->> 82 0v Black 16v kit --parts
> ->> ->> 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. next.
> ->> ->> 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.
> ->> ->> 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.
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