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Drew, 

Dude...  You didn't read it, or if you did, you did not understand it...  Now 
regardless if you have read that or nor, read this-----------------------------
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Quoting Drew MacPherson <drew@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>:

> 
> We did read it - and the heavy flywheel has NOTHING to do with diesels
> getting better mileage.  Zip.  Nada.  Zero.  Not even a small part.

I see...  If it does have nothing to do with a Diesel, then you are saying it 
does not affect gas mpg either?  And you obviously disagree with my point, do 
you have any reason other than those that have been offered, or are you 
basically saying, "Nyuh unh!" as a kid on a playground might? 

  That
> rotating mass takes fuel to rotate - the large the mass, the more fuel it
> takes.  ALthough a big flywheel is pretty much a necessity, it's not going
> to improve economy any by having one.
> 

I did NOT say having a bigger one will improve economy...  I was talking about 
a STOCK one...  WHether you believe it or not, I have had that happen, and ATS 
has as well...  Whether or not you agree with it, I have had it happen...  It 
is up to you to agrue with facts...  I will agree that it does go against 
common sense, but it is true...


> Drew
> 
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 mr.utility@highstream.net wrote:
> 
> > Re-read it, people...  I said, PART of the reason, not THE reason...  Jesus
> 
> > Christ...  This IS the only medium we have to communicate through, you have
> to 
> > read it....
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > Quoting Drew MacPherson <drew@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>:
> > 
> > > 
> > > Dan's on the money- diesels get better mileage because there's more 
> > > energy in diesel fuel AND the diesel engine is more efficient.  On top of
> 
> > > that, VW diesel flywheels are pretty much the same as their gas 
> > > counterparts, except that they have a O degree TDC timing mark.
> > > 
> > > Big diesels have big flywheels because they're big-ass engines with long
> 
> > > strokes and low idles, and as Dan said the inertia in the rotating 
> > > flywheel keeps the engine idling.  Large, low revving gasoline motors 
> > > (such as one might find in an antique tractor, for example) also had
> large 
> > > flywheels for the same reason.
> > > 
> > > Drew
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Dan Bubb wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >   Do you know how heavy a Diesel flywheel is in comparison to a gas 
> > > > >flywheel?  Part of the reason is that they have a higher mpg is
> because of
> > > the 
> > > > >higher inertia they have once up to speed... 
> > > > 
> > > > I disagree. Diesels get better mileage due to the higher energy
> content
> > > > of diesel fuel and the more efficient diesel cycle. The heavier
> flywheel
> > > > is required because of the significantly higher CR of a diesel engine.
> > > > More energy/inertia is required to get the engine through the
> > > > compression stroke and maintain decent idle quality doing so.
> > > > 
> > > > >  The reasons you cited for having weight on the flywheel are good
> > > > > reasons as
> > > > >well, but they are not the only ones...
> > > > 
> > > > Sorry, your original statement that a heavy flywheel would increase
> > > > highway fuel mileage implied that was the Primary reason for a heavy
> > > > flywheel which is incorrect.
> > > > 
> > > > >David
> > > > 
> > > > >PS  And while I read the Vortex quite a bit, I weigh that against
> hands-on
> > > 
> > > > >experience, as well as reading good technical sources (read that 
> > > > >as 'accredited'), as well as long conversations with a good friend of
> 13
> > > years 
> > > > >who has been a mechanic for almost 40 years...  The one thing I will
> > > promise 
> > > > >each and every one of you is if you can prove me wrong, I will admit
> it, 
> > > > >period...  I don't know it all, nor do I pretend to (hopefully) :-)  I
> can
> > > 
> > > > >only ask that if you do not agree/understand, please ask questions... 
> I
> > > have 
> > > > >not insulted anyone here, nor will I throw jabs at someone, even if I
> 
> > > > >disagree, but especially if I do not understand...  I am here to
> learn,
> > > and to 
> > > > >share.  I thought that was that this list was for...  Did I
> misundestand?
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Ya know, I'm an engineer and I've spent way too much time thinking
> about
> > > and working on cars. Maybe, I'm overly concerned about trying to help
> make
> > > the Scirocco list technically correct and, hopefully, a huge step up on
> some
> > > of the laughable statements made on Vortex.
> > > > 
> > > > But, whatever. 
> > > > 
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