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CV Joints vs Axle assembly

Subject: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
From: MK1Scirocco16v at comcast.net (Dave Ewing)
Date: Fri Nov 21 15:11:34 2003
In-reply-to: <IKEOLFINPPCMFGOOCHECEEBECCAA.txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
I can install an outer CV in about 15 minutes (probably less) and since the
outers are the most common problem I don't think time can be much of an
argument as you don't even need to remove the axle to replace it.  It would
take more time pulling the entire axle out to replace with another.  Just my
opinion!

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Bureau
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 3:16 AM
To: Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org
Subject: RE: CV Joints vs Axle assembly


Well if I had the time to mess with rebuilding my own cv joint I probably
would.

I always keep an old set of dead axles at the housse and I have been using
remans on the scirocco for years without a problems, but I have had one blow
on me (well split apart because the a-arm decided to take a walk one day -
ie broken frame) I simply grabbed an axle in the garage with my oreilly auto
parts bill, they ordered and provided me a new reman the same day.... 9
bolts later and about 30 mins, axle is on and car back on the road. Its all
about personal choice between changing bolt-on , and wanting to perform
surgery with assembly... personally I like the bolt-on idea.

but I understand Dave's point of view.

do what works for ya...


ATS - Patrick Bureau


->-----Original Message-----
->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dave Ewing
->Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 4:00 AM
->To: Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org
->Subject: RE: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
->
->
->Bingo, Cathy, it depends on what they start with and since most
->axles turned
->in are of the "shelled" variety I stay away from the remans.  I have done
->both.  I started with the remans and for the most part haven't had much
->trouble with them (other than the cheapness of the boots and such) but at
->the shops I've worked at it seems we were always trading those
->things in for
->new ones because they failed fairly regularly.  Most of the
->failures were on
->regularly driven cars but we would always give the customers (before
->installing remans, after the remans they were just replaced with other
->remans) the choice of reman or rebuild and we see very few rebuilds come
->back (new joints, same axle).  Since the inners rarely blow up the outers
->are the only part that usually needs to be replaced.  Just my opinion and
->experience.  I'd rather save the time of replacing them every so
->often if I
->don't have to whether they are free or not.
->
->Dave
->
->-----Original Message-----
->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of C Boyko
->Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 4:08 AM
->To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
->Subject: RE: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
->
->
->I put a new remanufactered axle on the 16V several years ago,
->it's been drag
->raced on slicks from May to Oct for two seasons, twice a month at
->least, and
->no issues. FWIW, in a straight line application with a bit more than stock
->power, I haven't seen axles go on VWs. (Hondas change them like underwear
->and VW trannies are another story, I've seen many killed off (not
->ours), and
->we've toasted a few clutches.) There would be about 20 000 kms on the axle
->other than the straight line miles. But vigourous curvy stuff would be the
->telling tale (ie Anson!) . Adam (my son) uses remans on his "scraping the
->ground low" Jetta, and he kills them off regularily, the angle is too
->extreme. I think he'd toast brand new stuff too, so for his money, the
->lifetime guarantee is a good thing. I'd do the whole axle again,
->but maybe I
->got a good one, it may depend on the quality of the core they rebuilt for
->you. If you rebuild your own, this would be a known quantity.
->Cathy
->
->
->>From: "Dave Ewing" <MK1Scirocco16v@comcast.net>
->>To: "Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->>Subject: RE: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
->>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:48:28 -0800
->>
->>Guaranteed forever is nice but I hate breaking down in the first
->place and
->>having to go through all the stuff to get the axle replaced.  My opinion,
->>if
->>anyone cares, is to use cv joints.  You money is better spent and it will
->>probably last about as long as you own your vehicle.  And if your racing
->>you
->>need better than stock anyway!  The shafts don't usually go bad
->unless you
->>mess them up replacing the CV joint.  Also, since the outter joint is the
->>common one to go bad you don't even have to take the axle out to replace
->>it!
->>Easy as pie and lasts longer than the "rebuilt by the blind" shafts.
->>
->>Hope you don't plan on these axles for your twin, Al!
->>
->>Just my $.02!
->>
->>Dave
->>
->>-----Original Message-----
->>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
->>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Allyn
->>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:53 PM
->>To: Anson Clement; Ron Pieper; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
->>Subject: Re: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
->>
->>
->>they are even guaranteed for when you bring in some 34 year old
->spare from
->>dauns barn and say its the one that was under warranty.... under ansons
->>receipt of course...
->>:)
->>that one still has no play, btw :P
->>Al
->>
->>----- Original Message -----
->>From: "Anson Clement" <ansonivan@yahoo.com>
->>To: "Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 3:23 PM
->>Subject: Re: CV Joints vs Axle assembly
->>
->>
->> > I'm running rebuilt axles from advance auto, I've had one
->fail in a year
->>and a half.... I think I'm probably the most abusive driver here
->so... yea
->>I
->>think they are ok. The big bonus about them is they are guaranteed
->>forever... if you don't mind changing them they are the way to go.
->> >
->> > Anson
->> >
->> > Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:
->> > Yup, the assemblies are ready to bolt in. There are many stories of
->>these
->>remanufactured units
->> > failing very early, or even being bad when bought. Others
->will chime in
->>with what manufacturers
->> > to watch for.
->> >
->> > One thing I do know is that there's nothing better than a brand-new
->>Lobro
->>joint...
->> >
->> > Ron
->> >
->> > --- Jon Palm wrote:
->> > > Well I have that clunk clunk thing going on, and noticed the cv boot
->>is
->> > > about half gone. So I was pricing new cv's and there was
->complete axle
->> > > assemblies for only 10 bucks more. Does the assembly typically have
->>both
->> > > inner and outer cv's with it? If so, I'd just as soon get a whole
->>assembly
->> > > than dick with pulling and packing cv's, especially for
->just 10 bucks
->>more.
->> > > Please comment....
->> >
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