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It was brought to my attention that I was WAY to loose with my choice of =
words. In no shape or form did I intend to imply that SOB applied to Dan =
himself. It was purely a lame attempt to play on the phonetics and =
completely directed at his new, non-rocc problem child.
I hope Dan can look past this one - I've learned the hard way too many =
times that I probably should keep my mouth shut (though I don't seem to =
ever get it...)
Have a good weekend - now I wil go home and medicate myself.....Jeff
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dan Smith=20
To: Jeff Toomasson ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: How much more do we have to hear this SOB? (was: knock =
light LED?)
I'd love to go back to a rocc. Got a spare? The only reason I =
mentioned the saab now is that this thread originally started with =
someone saying 'The Saab guys have managed to do this...' and I didn't =
know who posted that. The other reason I've posted so much about it is =
that this list is the most mechanically resourceful group of people I =
know. There isn't much for Saab owners for reference so when I'm =
desperate I come here. And 20? I wouldn't say that much....Believe me, =
I'm just as sick of the p.o.s. as you are if not more so. In the future, =
I will only post Saab stuff as a very last resort and will make sure the =
subject clearly says OT: SAAB JEFF DELETE.=20
Dan=20
Jeff Toomasson <jtoomasson@yahoo.com> wrote:=20
I guess I'll come off like some of the cranky "Stay on Topic" folks, =
but oh well...I'm actually only half-serious - my Delete key does =
work...but I've had a rough day and need to vent.=20
I'm tired of hearing about this beater Saab - I would never bat an =
eye at a couple of random mentions (hell, I'm sure I've pulled out the =
sorry "I miss my M3" statement a couple of times.) But I bet I could =
pull out 20 messages about this thing in the last 4-6 weeks since Dan =
bought it...go back to Sciroccos, buddy. This Saab thing doesn't suit =
you.
Jeff (vomits out the evil spirit that has possessed him)
Sorry, Dan. No offense intended. :)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dan Smith=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: Interesting 16V thought: knock light LED?
I got to do that to my Saab! Where did you see the article on it? =
(assuming there is one?) I think my knock sensor is on it's way out, as =
the car isn't producing nearly as much boost as it should before =
blowoff. Not that it's producing anything at the moment but for future =
reference it sounds quite useful.=20
Dan=20
Jason <jason@scirocco.org> wrote:=20
At 06:28 AM 3/28/2003, T Berk wrote:
>Ryan H wrote:
> > > On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ryan H wrote:
> > > > >
>
> > > > > know, there has to be some wire with a basic signal
> > > > > (12V or 0V) for knock, so I can hook an LED up to see
> > > > > when knock is present.
> > > > > Anyone already try such a thing?
> > > > > ___________________________
> > > >
> > > >=20
> > > >
> > > > Can these schematics help any?
> > > >
> > > > TBerk
> > > >
> > > One way to do it is via a compare ckt.
> > > if the output of the CIS box =3D=3D output of the knock =
box no knock.
> > > if !=3D retard occuring.
> > > brian
> >
> > Brian: Sounds a bit too complicated to make... although I'm =
no=20
> electrical engineer.
> > TBerk, your schematic is pretty good, so maybe you have some =
ideas - do=20
> you think a 12v LED with the positive lead to pin 13 would do =
anything?
> >
>
>I would be concerned with signal drop if you just hook up an =
LED, I'd
>want you to wrap a coil around the signal wire (#13) and use it =
to
>trigger an LED circuit.
>
>Wait, all that would do is flicker when the mic that is the K/S =
was
>fed ping. Better yet would be to get a signal from when the K/S =
box
>goes into action, lets see...
Very, very interesting indeed: This was standard equipment on my =
Mom's=20
1987 Peugeot 505 STX V6. Peugeot put a little yellow LED at the =
base of=20
the instrument cluster that would flicker when the car sensed =
knock.
In our case, the thing flickered all the time prompting the =
dealership to=20
call it a bullshit gimmick and disconnecting the LED.
But since then, I've always thought it'd be cool to have one! :)
Jason
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It was brought to my attention that I =
was WAY to=20
loose with my choice of words. In no shape or form did I intend to imply =
that=20
SOB applied to Dan himself. It was purely a lame attempt to play on the=20
phonetics and completely directed at his new, non-rocc problem=20
child.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope Dan can look past this one - =
I've learned=20
the hard way too many times that I probably should keep my mouth shut =
(though I=20
don't seem to ever get it...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have a good weekend - now I wil go home =
and=20
medicate myself.....Jeff</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan =
Smith</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Djtoomasson@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:jtoomasson@yahoo.com";>Jeff Toomasson</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, 2003 =
3:10=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: How much more do =
we have to=20
hear this SOB? (was: knock light LED?)</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>I'd love to go back to a rocc. Got a spare? The only reason I=20
mentioned the saab now is that this thread originally started with =
someone=20
saying 'The Saab guys have managed to do this...' and I didn't know =
who posted=20
that. The other reason I've posted so much about it is that this list =
is the=20
most mechanically resourceful group of people I know. There isn't much =
for=20
Saab owners for reference so when I'm desperate I come here. And 20? I =
wouldn't say that much....Believe me, I'm just as sick of the p.o.s. =
as you=20
are if not more so. In the future, I will only post Saab stuff as a =
very last=20
resort and will make sure the subject clearly says OT: SAAB JEFF =
DELETE.=20
<P>Dan=20
<P> <B><I>Jeff Toomasson <jtoomasson@yahoo.com></I></B> =
wrote:=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess I'll come off like some of =
the cranky=20
"Stay on Topic" folks, but oh well...I'm actually only half-serious =
- my=20
Delete key does work...but I've had a rough day and need to vent.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm tired of hearing about this =
beater Saab - I=20
would never bat an eye at a couple of random mentions (hell, I'm =
sure I've=20
pulled out the sorry "I miss my M3" statement a couple of times.) =
But I bet=20
I could pull out 20 messages about this thing in the last =
4-6=20
weeks since Dan bought it...go back to Sciroccos, buddy. This Saab =
thing=20
doesn't suit you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff (vomits out the evil spirit =
that has=20
possessed him)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sorry, Dan. No offense =
intended. =20
:)</FONT></DIV>
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BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan Smith</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 28, =
2003 2:09=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Interesting =
16V thought:=20
knock light LED?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>I got to do that to my Saab! Where did you see the article on =
it?=20
(assuming there is one?) I think my knock sensor is on it's way =
out, as=20
the car isn't producing nearly as much boost as it should before =
blowoff.=20
Not that it's producing anything at the moment but for future =
reference it=20
sounds quite useful.=20
<P>Dan=20
<P> <B><I>Jason <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:jason@scirocco.org";>jason@scirocco.org</A>></I></B> =
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">At=20
06:28 AM 3/28/2003, T Berk wrote:<BR>>Ryan H wrote:<BR>> =
> >=20
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:<BR>> > ><BR>> =
> >=20
> Ryan H wrote:<BR>> > > > =
><BR>><SNIP><BR>>=20
> > > > know, there has to be some wire with a basic =
signal<BR>> > > > > (12V or 0V) for knock, so I =
can hook=20
an LED up to see<BR>> > > > > when knock is=20
present.<BR>> > > > > Anyone already try such a=20
thing?<BR>> > > > > =
___________________________<BR>>=20
> > ><BR>> > > > <HTTP: home.mindspring.com =
~tberk=20
index.html><BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Can =
these=20
schematics help any?<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > =
>=20
TBerk<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > One way to do it =
is via a=20
compare ckt.<BR>> > > if the output of the CIS box =
=3D=3D output of=20
the knock box no knock.<BR>> > > if !=3D retard =
occuring.<BR>>=20
> > brian<BR>> ><BR>> > Brian: Sounds a bit =
too=20
complicated to make... although I'm no <BR>> electrical=20
engineer.<BR>> > TBerk, your schematic is pretty good, so =
maybe=20
you have some ideas - do <BR>> you think a 12v LED with the =
positive=20
lead to pin 13 would do anything?<BR>> ><BR>><BR>>I =
would be=20
concerned with signal drop if you just hook up an LED, =
I'd<BR>>want=20
you to wrap a coil around the signal wire (#13) and use it=20
to<BR>>trigger an LED circuit.<BR>><BR>>Wait, all that =
would do=20
is flicker when the mic that is the K/S was<BR>>fed ping. =
Better yet=20
would be to get a signal from when the K/S box<BR>>goes into =
action,=20
lets see...<BR><BR>Very, very interesting indeed: This was =
standard=20
equipment on my Mom's <BR>1987 Peugeot 505 STX V6. Peugeot put a =
little=20
yellow LED at the base of <BR>the instrument cluster that would =
flicker=20
when the car sensed knock.<BR><BR>In our case, the thing =
flickered all=20
the time prompting the dealership to <BR>call it a bullshit =
gimmick and=20
disconnecting the LED.<BR><BR>But since then, I've always =
thought it'd=20
be cool to have one!=20
=
:)<BR>Jason<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR=
>Scirocco-l=20
mailing=20
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list<BR>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/=
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