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16v distributor oil seal
- Subject: 16v distributor oil seal
- From: green536@hotmail.com (Chris DeLong)
- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:36:52 +0000
FYI, BTDT. The seal that is available from Canada is a piece of shit. It has
spring loading in the seal. I put one in my rocco a while back and about 3
months later it was leaking again. FWIW you would be better off going to a
seal manufacturer and have them make the seal for you. I have done some
research into this and found that the correct seal will cost about 15$ USD.
The dimensions for the seal are printed on the rim of the seal inside the
dizzy. Oh and drilling thehole larger would be a good precaution also. HTH
Chris DeLong
ICQ#45030867
Seattle, WA USA
'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
'91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
'77 Rabbit 16V
'61 17 Window type II
'91 Vanagon
'84 Jetta
>From: Chris <vze28h54@verizon.net>
>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: 16v distributor oil seal
>Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:56:52 -0500
>
>Here is info I gathered in 1995. (If you do the repair, let me know how it
>turns out.
>
>Chris
>
>********************************************************************
>
>TECH NOTES FOR WATERCOOLED VW'S By Chris Picot
> August 7, 1997
>
> ISSUE: Oil in 16V Distributor.
>
> This article addresses the problem of oil leaking into
> the distributors of VW 16V engines.
>
> There is a difference of opinion as to whether or not
> the distributor can be repaired, or must be replaced.
> I have collected information from a number of posts in
> order to provide a history of this matter.
>
> Since the 16V distributor is on a horizontal axis, it
> allows oil to pass along the shaft of the distributor,
> when the seal is worn, and get into the internals of
> the distributor. This can lead to failure of the
> distributor. This is not a problem for the 8V
> distributors as they are on a basically vertical axis.
>
> Ed Armstrong (armstrong@cpi.com) said he had read in
> European Car that the owner of Advanced Motorsports
> [Solutions] (AMS),reportedly a 16V guru, had devised a
> method to solve the problem.
>
> David R. Derting (davidder@teleport.com) called
> Techtonics Tuning and was referred to Advanced
> Motorsport Solutions (AMS) in L.A. AMS had told him
> they no longer sold the seals as they could no longer
> get the seals from their supplier. I called AMS also
> and they confirmed that they no longer carried them.
> They also posed the question of why would anyone want
> to replace the seal and take the chance that the
> replacement would not be successful? Why not just
> replace the distributor?
>
> [My guess is that if the seals are available and they
> have not found another supplier, it is because the
> repair is not very successful. If they charged a
> customer $100 to make the repair (with the warning that
> it might not be successful and was not guaranteed), and
> it failed and the customer had to return again at a
> cost of another $100 (again with no guarantee of
> success), it would be easier to just replace the
> distributor for say $275 ($225 parts, plus $50 labor)
> and save the extra trip?]
>
> The new distributor from VW costs about $225. I called
> 2 local VW dealers and they said there is no seal
> available, the entire distributor had to be replaced.
>
> Martyn Kerluk (martynk@io.org) said he had the seal
> replaced in his distributor by VW Canada. There was no
> reason to throw away the leaky distributor. (But see
> below.)
>
> He also said the seals could be obtained from Cederbrae
> VW in Toronto. 416-438-1900.
>
> From David Marshall (marshall@abc.awink.com) I found
> out about:
>
> Southgate Volkswagen
> 5220 Calgary Trail North
> Edmonton, AB, T6H 4J7
> Phone 403-435-4821
> Fax 403-435-7602
> Website http://www.southgatevw.com/
> email ??? (Jane McDade)
>
> Jane McDade, of Southgate VW indicated that these seals
> were available at $7.23 Canadian. The part number is
> 051 905 085 BRE (or PRE?).
>
> Per SGVW there are two "seals". One is an "O" ring at
> the base of the distributor which seals the head to the
> outside and one seal is inside the distributor. The
> one inside the distributor is the one involved here.
>
> The shop foreman's admonition was "do not distort the
> washer which holds the seal in place." when doing the
> repair.
>
> In viewing the photo in the Bentley Manual there is no
> part identified as a "seal". There are shims and a
> plastic washer.
> For those attempting the repair, there is a pin which
> goes through the shaft of the distributor. Several
> people have indicated that it can be difficult to
> remove. Be careful not to bend the distributor shaft
> During the repair. A hydraulic press might be the answer.
>
> (NOTE: Apparently there is a hole in the cylinder head
> which allows the oil, which goes to the distributor
> shaft, to drain away from it. This hole can be
> "relieved" (drilled larger) when the head is off a 16V
> engine. This seems to avoid the problem. The head
> should be off the engine to avoid the possibility that
> chips of metal would get into the oil galleys. Thanks
> to Shine Racing Service (they're on the Web) for this
> tip.
>
> (For reference: MY DISTRIBUTOR is PN 0237 521 010 which
> I believe is the Bosch part number, and PN 027 905 205P
> which I believe is the VW part number. Number 050 Z415
> also appears on the distributor.)
>
> (February 7, 1996 A few days ago I got a response from
> Martyn Kerluk in regard to my inquiry. He said the
> distributor on his VW started leaking 3 months after
> the seal repair.)
>
> Copyright 1996 Christopher T. Picot
>
> ***********************************
>I also found this in my archives.
>
>From: "Williams, Chris (RSCH)" <Chris_Williams@ml.com>
>To: "'Chris Picot'" <picot@cpcug.org>
>Subject: RE:
>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:58:23 -0400
>X-Priority: 3
>X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1457.3)
>
>A couple of weeks ago I took my car to R&A Applied Arts and one of the
>many things that Andy King said my car needed was a new distributor
>seal. NOT a NEW distributor. I asked him, how it was done and he replied
>that it was replaced like any other seal. While I may have to take my
>car to his shop before I can discover what's involved, he didn't make it
>sound like it was any big deal. He did not say that the distributor
>needed to replaced.
>
>Mark Kaladiyan (sic) of AMS was the one mentioned in European Car's tech
>letters. He is a good friend of Andy's, and, I think, once worked for
>him. I know that Andy has told me that they talk everyday. It's possible
>that they both use the same procedure.
>
>
>At 05:57 PM 01/29/2003 -0800, Daun Yeagley wrote:
>>I need the famed oil seal for the 16v ignition distributor.
>> Anyone have a part number and / or know where I can source
>>one? My Passat is leaking like a sieve.
>>
>>
>>
>>=====
>>Daun Yeagley - Wilmington Ohio
>>'80 S, 81 S, '85, '86 & '88 Sciroccos, 90 Passat Wagon, '56 Cessna 172
>>For Sale: '66 Cessna 150, '82 Scirocco.
>>"Any idiot can face a crisis. It's this day to day living that wears you
>>out." - Anton Chekhov
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