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BH-
You are correct.
Final note: Bondo should be used in very thin amounts. It is poor =
practice to have any Bondo that is more than about .060" thick on a car. =
(i.e. >.060" when it's ready for primer) Any thicker and it losses its =
ability to flex/expand/contract with the metal.
Larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Haygood=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
Just thinking out loud here, but if the bondo is covered with paint =
right after applied, should the paint keep the moisture out and prevent =
the rust? I know that if you don't clean the old metal well enough you =
can leave some rust or dirt behind that will prevent the bondo from =
bonding and lead to rapid rusting, but if done right it should be OK, =
shouldn't it? All the same, if you can POR under it, I'd do so for =
safety's sake.
You could also consider using fiberglass to fill in if the area you =
are filling is large, hole ridden and/or under lots of stress (like the =
corner of a windshield. Bondo doesn't do as well as glass in large =
amounts when the material under it flexes at all. Of course it does =
pretty well, but not as well. So I'm told. No experience with the =
fiberglass repair stuff myself.
BH
--- "Rhett Farnum" <rocco_crossing@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I believe that there is a new version of Bondo that actually is a =
rust=20
>inhbitor.
>
>Peace Out,
>
>Rhett
>Rocco_crossing
>'83 Rocco (autocross ready, body work needed)
>'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera (DD)
>
>
>
>>From: Robbie Cotner <robw_z@yahoo.com>
>>To: L F <rocco16v@netzero.net>
>>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>>Subject: Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
>>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:42:19 -0800 (PST)
>>
>>
>>Most things I've heard about Bondo state quite the contrary(on it's =
not=20
>>rusting steel). On the 240Z list everybody hates bondo with a =
passion,=20
>>240's are fairly old('70-'73) and their owners deal with rust a lot. =
=20
>>Apparently over time, Bondo actually absorbs moisture(only what I've =
heard,=20
>>but heard frequently) and rusts the metal to hell. Time and time =
again=20
>>people were finding Bondo tucked away somewhere on there car, always =
>>accompanied by A LOT of rust. In almost all cases it had even been =
painted=20
>>over. The few that chose to use Bondo would use something like =
POR-15 on=20
>>the steel, paint it, bondo it, and paint over the Bondo. Just =
thought I'd=20
>>chime in-
>>Rob
>> L F <rocco16v@netzero.net> wrote:Why Por? if you're going to =
bondo=20
>>anyway? Steel won't rust under the Bondo.... Larry----- Original =
Message=20
>>----- From: brett cooke To: Indiana_Red@hotmail.com ;=20
>>scirocco-l@scirocco.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:13 =
PMSubject:=20
>>Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
>>if you paint with por-15 first, let it dry, then sand it a lil' =
(just to
>>scuff it up) you should be able to bondo right over it. i've done =
this
>>before with no bondo adhesion problems. hth
>> hit
>>
>>
>>
>>So Sayeth The Hitman
>>'88 "stripe" 16v scirocco
>>'91 passat gl "the green hell"
>><http://www.techography.net:82/brettsgarage>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Ken B" <Indiana_Red@hotmail.com>
>> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>> >Subject: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
>> >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:40:15 -0700
>> >
>> >As a rule, should filler (Bondo) go on bare metal only? What if =
you=20
>>wanted
>> >to rust proof a small section (Por 15) and fill over it a bit. =
Taboo ?
>> >or
>> >OK? Im thinking of the small holes at the lower corner of where =
my
>> >windshield sits.
>> >Thanks
>> >Ken
>> >1979 Scirocco 16V - Almost done
>> >81 Deisel P/U - Rescued from neglegent PO
>> >VORTEX: "Indiana Red"
>> >
>> >
>> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BH-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> You are correct.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Final note: Bondo should be used =
in very thin=20
amounts. It is poor practice to have any Bondo that is more than =
about=20
.060" thick on a car. (i.e. >.060" when it's ready for primer) Any =
thicker=20
and it losses its ability to flex/expand/contract with the =
metal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:haygood@aemail4u.com"; =
title=3Dhaygood@aemail4u.com>Haygood</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 17, 2003 =
1:50=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: semi OT - Lame =
bodywork=20
question</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Just thinking out loud here, but if the bondo is =
covered with=20
paint right after applied, should the paint keep the moisture out and =
prevent=20
the rust? I know that if you don't clean the old metal =
well enough=20
you can leave some rust or dirt behind that will prevent the bondo =
from=20
bonding and lead to rapid rusting, but if done right it should be OK,=20
shouldn't it? All the same, if you can POR under it, I'd do so =
for=20
safety's sake.<BR><BR>You could also consider using fiberglass to fill =
in if=20
the area you are filling is large, hole ridden and/or under lots of =
stress=20
(like the corner of a windshield. Bondo doesn't do as well as =
glass in=20
large amounts when the material under it flexes at all. Of =
course it=20
does pretty well, but not as well. So I'm told. No =
experience with=20
the fiberglass repair stuff myself.<BR><BR>BH<BR><BR>--- "Rhett =
Farnum" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rocco_crossing@hotmail.com";>rocco_crossing@hotmail.com</A>=
>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>I believe that there is a new version of Bondo =
that=20
actually is a rust <BR>>inhbitor.<BR>><BR>>Peace=20
Out,<BR>><BR>>Rhett<BR>>Rocco_crossing<BR>>'83 Rocco =
(autocross=20
ready, body work needed)<BR>>'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera=20
(DD)<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>>From: Robbie Cotner <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:robw_z@yahoo.com";>robw_z@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>>To: =
L F=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>rocco16v@netzero.net</A>><BR>>=
>CC:=20
<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;>Subject:=20
Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question<BR>>>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 =
21:42:19 -0800 (PST)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Most things =
I've heard=20
about Bondo state quite the contrary(on it's not <BR>>>rusting=20
steel). On the 240Z list everybody hates bondo with a passion,=20
<BR>>>240's are fairly old('70-'73) and their owners deal with =
rust a=20
lot. <BR>>>Apparently over time, Bondo actually absorbs=20
moisture(only what I've heard, <BR>>>but heard frequently) and =
rusts the=20
metal to hell. Time and time again <BR>>>people were =
finding Bondo=20
tucked away somewhere on there car, always <BR>>>accompanied by =
A LOT of=20
rust. In almost all cases it had even been painted=20
<BR>>>over. The few that chose to use Bondo would use =
something=20
like POR-15 on <BR>>>the steel, paint it, bondo it, and paint =
over the=20
Bondo. Just thought I'd <BR>>>chime=20
in-<BR>>>Rob<BR>>> L F <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>rocco16v@netzero.net</A>> =
wrote:Why=20
Por? if you're going to bondo <BR>>>anyway? Steel =
won't rust=20
under the Bondo.... Larry----- Original Message <BR>>>----- =
From: brett=20
cooke To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:Indiana_Red@hotmail.com";>Indiana_Red@hotmail.com</A>=20
; <BR>>><A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
Sent:=20
Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:13 PMSubject: <BR>>>Re: semi OT - =
Lame=20
bodywork question<BR>>>if you paint with por-15 first, let it =
dry, then=20
sand it a lil' (just to<BR>>>scuff it up) you should be able to =
bondo=20
right over it. i've done this<BR>>>before with no bondo adhesion =
problems. hth<BR>>> =20
hit<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>So Sayeth The=20
Hitman<BR>>>'88 "stripe" 16v scirocco<BR>>>'91 passat gl =
"the=20
green hell"<BR>>><<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.techography.net:82/brettsgarage";>http://www.techograph=
y.net:82/brettsgarage</A>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=
><BR>>><BR>>>=20
>From: "Ken B" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Indiana_Red@hotmail.com";>Indiana_Red@hotmail.com</A>><B=
R>>>=20
>To: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>>=20
>Subject: semi OT - Lame bodywork question<BR>>> >Date: =
Thu, 16=20
Jan 2003 17:40:15 -0700<BR>>> ><BR>>> >As a rule, =
should=20
filler (Bondo) go on bare metal only? What if you=20
<BR>>>wanted<BR>>> >to rust proof a small section (Por =
15) and=20
fill over it a bit. Taboo ?<BR>>> >or<BR>>> =
>OK? Im thinking of the small holes at the lower corner of =
where=20
my<BR>>> >windshield sits.<BR>>> >Thanks<BR>>> =
>Ken<BR>>> >1979 Scirocco 16V - Almost =
done<BR>>>=20
>81 Deisel P/U - Rescued from neglegent PO<BR>>> =
>VORTEX: =20
"Indiana Red"<BR>>> ><BR>>> ><BR>>> =
><BR>>>=20
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