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Quite OT: NYTimes.com Article: TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists

Subject: Quite OT: NYTimes.com Article: TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists
From: Rabbit16v@attbi.com (Rabbit16v)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:15:26 -0800
References: <NGBBJOLLCLDLBMBKAFCCIEJFCHAA.vince@performancecarstereo.com>
Yeah, and they use the same bolts they used in the early 1900s with the same
hexagonal shaped heads!!!  Wow, technology!!

Couldn't resist!

Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vince Royer" <vince@performancecarstereo.com>
To: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>; <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>;
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: Quite OT: NYTimes.com Article: TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support
Terrorists


> we shouldn't assume that technology is getting better.  I've come to
realize
> that alot of things were designed in the 70s and 80s and just haven't
> changed at all since then.  For instance, we're working on a new 2003 M3
> convertible in the shop right now. A lot of the parts seem to be identical
> to the ones in my 82!  Such parts like the 'foam' wrapping that hugs the
> fuel pump.  The exact same foam is used to wrap the hydraulic pump for the
> top.  Those little black plastic tie wraps that hold down wire looms -
same
> exact ones.  So many little parts that are exactly the same, it really
> surprised me.
>
> It's really the same old shit in a newer, more attractive package.
Pretty
> cool car though.  Fit and finish is top notch.
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:21 PM
> > To: nealtovsen@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: Quite OT: NYTimes.com Article: TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners
> > Support Terrorists
> >
> >
> > Actually I agree. Back in the 70's there was a push for more economical
> > cars. With presidents allied to the gas companies has decreased
> > that need it
> > seems.
> > My 81 16v has better gas consumption than most of the newer cars! You'd
> > think that after all these years, all the millions spent on
> > development that
> > our cars would run on the meer suggestion of fuel.
> >
> >
> >
> > Julie Macfarlane
> > Menlo Park Research & Development
> > Internet Application Developer
> > Amsterdam NY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: Quite OT: NYTimes.com Article: TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners
Support
> > >Terrorists Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:22:17 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >I thought I'd post this since it has been a hot issue
> > >in the past. Whether you agree with it or not, it sure
> > >does make you think, eh?
> > >
> > >Neal
> > >
> > > >
> > > > TV Ads Say S.U.V. Owners Support Terrorists
> > > >
> > > > January 8, 2003
> > > > By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 - Ratcheting up the debate over
> > > > sport
> > > > utility vehicles, new television commercials suggest
> > > > that
> > > > people who buy the vehicles are supporting
> > > > terrorists. The
> > > > commercials are so provocative that some television
> > > > stations are refusing to run them.
> > > >
> > > > Patterned after the commercials that try to
> > > > discourage drug
> > > > use by suggesting that profits from illegal drugs go
> > > > to
> > > > terrorists, the new commercials say that money for
> > > > gas
> > > > needed for S.U.V.'s goes to terrorists.
> > > >
> > > > "This is George," a girl's voice says of an
> > > > oblivious man
> > > > at a gas station. "This is the gas that George
> > > > bought for
> > > > his S.U.V." The screen then shows a map of the
> > > > Middle East.
> > > > "These are the countries where the executives bought
> > > > the
> > > > oil that made the gas that George bought for his
> > > > S.U.V."
> > > > The picture switches to a scene of armed terrorists
> > > > in a
> > > > desert. "And these are the terrorists who get money
> > > > from
> > > > those countries every time George fills up his
> > > > S.U.V."
> > > >
> > > > A second commercial depicts a series of ordinary
> > > > Americans
> > > > saying things like: "I helped hijack an airplane";
> > > > "I gave
> > > > money to a terrorist training camp in a foreign
> > > > country";
> > > > "What if I need to go off-road?"
> > > >
> > > > At the close, the screen is filled with the words:
> > > > "What is
> > > > your S.U.V. doing to our national security?"
> > > >
> > > > The two 30-second commercials are the brainchild of
> > > > the
> > > > author and columnist Arianna Huffington. Her target
> > > > audience, she said, is Detroit and Congress,
> > > > especially the
> > > > Republicans and Democrats who last year voted
> > > > against a
> > > > bill, sponsored by Senators John McCain, Republican
> > > > of
> > > > Arizona, and John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts,
> > > > that
> > > > would have raised fuel-efficiency standards.
> > > >
> > > > Spokesmen for the automakers dismissed the
> > > > commercials.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Eron Shosteck, a spokesman for the Alliance of
> > > > Automobile
> > > > Manufacturers, said of Ms. Huffington, "Her opinion
> > > > is
> > > > out-voted every year by Americans who buy S.U.V.'s
> > > > for
> > > > their safety, comfort and versatility." He said that
> > > > S.U.V.'s now account for 21 percent of the market.
> > > >
> > > > In an interview, Senator Kerry distanced himself
> > > > from the
> > > > commercials. He said that rather than oppose
> > > > S.U.V.'s
> > > > outright, he believed they should be more efficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "I haven't seen these commercials," he said, "but
> > > > anybody
> > > > can drive as large an S.U.V. as they want, though it
> > > > can be
> > > > more efficient than it is today."
> > > >
> > > > Ms. Huffington's group, which calls itself the
> > > > Detroit
> > > > Project, has bought almost $200,000 of air time for
> > > > the
> > > > commercials, to run from Sunday to Thursday. While
> > > > the
> > > > group may lose some viewers if stations refuse to
> > > > run the
> > > > advertisements, the message is attracting attention
> > > > through
> > > > news coverage.
> > > >
> > > > The advertisements are to be broadcast on "Meet The
> > > > Press,"
> > > > "Face the Nation" and "This Week With George
> > > > Stephanopoulos" in Detroit, Los Angeles, New York
> > > > and
> > > > Washington.
> > > >
> > > > But some local affiliates say they will not run
> > > > them. At
> > > > the ABC affiliate in New York, Art Moore, director
> > > > of
> > > > programming, said, "There were a lot of statements
> > > > being
> > > > made that were not backed up, and they're talking
> > > > about
> > > > hot-button issues."
> > > >
> > > > Ms. Huffington said she got the idea for the
> > > > commercials
> > > > while watching the antidrug commercials, sponsored
> > > > by the
> > > > Bush administration. In her syndicated column, she
> > > > asked
> > > > readers if they would be willing to pay for "a
> > > > people's ad
> > > > campaign to jolt our leaders into reality."
> > > >
> > > > She said she received 5,000 e-mail messages and
> > > > eventually
> > > > raised $50,000 from the public. Bigger contributors
> > > > included Steve Bing, the film producer; Larry David,
> > > > the
> > > > comedian and "Seinfeld" co-creator; and Norman Lear,
> > > > the
> > > > television producer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/business/media/08SUVS.html?ex=1
> 043054359&ei=1&en=9c2426a0be9a21a2
> > >
> > >
> > >
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