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Subject: JE Pistons & block assembly
From: ralexander03@snet.net (Rick Alexander)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:56:06 -0500
References: <6B38620E39D11A4DB96533D7D253E3AC23659D@screech.corporate.lcnetwork.com>
No, I guess you don't NEED to, but it can't hurt.

Rick Alexander

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Doty" <Joe.Doty@lcnetwork.com>
To: "Anthony Pelletier" <vwnuts@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly


Yeah.  I like to use WD-40 when installing pistons.

FWIW, I did pretty much everything "wrong" when I was assembling this
last engine.  I was in too much of a hurry to get the car running.
Forgot to lube the bores, forgot to prelube bearings, etc...I can't
remember if I primed the oil pump.  After 10k turbo miles the car hasn't
burned a drop of oil.  Just goes to show that you don't need to be anal
when it comes to engine building...

Joe Doty
IT/Development
joe@lcnetwork.com 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Pelletier [mailto:vwnuts@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: Neal Tovsen; Chris DeLong; ralexander03@snet.net; scirocco-
> l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
> 
> Correct me if I am wrong, but the concensus is that we
> are supposed to use motor oil on the bores when
> installing the pisons/rings?
> 
> Tony
> 
> --- Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "the wet engine"?? What does that mean?
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Motor oil is exactly what I used when lubing the
> > > cylinders during assembly.
> > > That was the wet engine. ahh the things you learn
> > > when you are young lol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris DeLong
> > > ICQ#45030867
> > > Seattle, WA USA
> > > '80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
> > > '91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
> > > '77 Rabbit 16V
> > > '61 17 Window type II
> > > '91 Vanagon
> > > '84 Jetta
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Neal Tovsen <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > >To: Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net>,
> > > scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > >Subject: Re: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:47:59 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Phew! Yeah, I used motor oil when I installed the
> > > >rings. I only used molly assembly lube on
> > threaded
> > > >bolts where specified by ARP or whatever, and on
> > > >bearing surfaces.
> > > >
> > > >Neal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >--- Rick Alexander <ralexander03@snet.net> wrote:
> > > > > It's Molly lube that you are not supposed to
> > put
> > > on
> > > > > rings. It's some sort of
> > > > > chemical reaction thing that will affect the
> > > seating
> > > > > of the rings. Least
> > > > > wise that's what I remember learning. I always
> > > oil
> > > > > them up good.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rick Alexander
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Neal" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "Chris DeLong" <green536@hotmail.com>;
> > > > > <vwnuts@yahoo.com>;
> > > > > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 6:44 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: JE Pistons & block assembly
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > A ring file is basically a fine pitch flat
> > > file.
> > > > > make sure you
> > > > > > > measure them.
> > > > > > > usually they dont need to be filed but you
> > > dont
> > > > > want to find out the
> > > > > hard
> > > > > > > way.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JE rings will DEFINITELY need to be filed.
> > > Mine
> > > > > had zero gap out of the
> > > > > box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > DO NOT LUBE THE CYLINDER BORES AFTER
> > > INSTALLING
> > > > > THE RINGS. this will
> > > > > > > end you up with a "wet" engine which will
> > > cause
> > > > > the rings not to
> > > > > > > seat and it
> > > > > > > will burn oil constantly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hmmm...I've NEVER heard that before. It
> > wasn't
> > > > > mentioned in the books I
> > > > > > read. And I definitely don't know everything
> > > about
> > > > > engine building, but I
> > > > > > don't understand why that would happen
> > either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any oil on top of the rings will get burned
> > in
> > > > > combustion. Any oil between
> > > > > > the rings is MEANT to be there, right? Or
> > are
> > > > > those not oil galleys in the
> > > > > > piston that exit between the rings? And of
> > > course
> > > > > the oil sprayers (if you
> > > > > > have them) will spray the bottom of the
> > > pistons,
> > > > > feeding those galleys.
> > > > > How
> > > > > > does some oil on the rings during assembly
> > > harm
> > > > > things, exactly?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyway, I hope my engine still breaks in OK!
> > > After
> > > > > only 100 miles, it
> > > > > > doesn't seem to consume any real amounts of
> > > oil,
> > > > > considering I know I have
> > > > > a
> > > > > > slight gasket leak and that they're forged
> > > > > pistons...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > you should also have the bottom end
> > > > > > > balanced while
> > > > > > > you have it all apart. make sure to use
> > lube
> > > on
> > > > > the bearing journals
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > assembling. oh and dont forget to bring
> > the
> > > > > pistons with you when
> > > > > > > you drop
> > > > > > > off the block. they will need them to bore
> > > it
> > > > > properly.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup. Yup. Yup!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neal
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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