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Yes, the car's feeling have a great deal to do with how it runs. =
Seriously. Just ask Cathy. or Julie. I've even experienced this =
phenomena.
Larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Ryan H=20
To: S. Coleman=20
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
Nope, I've tried everything I could, including replacing the coil and =
transfer pump as of recently...
I've come to the conclusion that it will never be fixed, and the car =
will always run like crap because it hates me. :(
>=20
> From: "S. Coleman" <deadbolt@mindspring.com>
> Date: 2003/02/09 Sun PM 04:40:59 EST
> To: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
> Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
>=20
> I've been super busy lately at work... Did you ever figure out what =
was up
> with your car?
> LMK,
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
> To: "S. Coleman" <deadbolt@mindspring.com>
> Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
>=20
>=20
> > Chris, did your problem lead to low power even down low as well?
> > My car just suddenly kicks like I've got a 50,000 pound AC =
compressor,
> then it won't rev past 4k. Sometimes, it kicks back to life and is =
fine for
> a few minutes. Occasionally, it's dead as a dog off the line (feels =
like
> starting in 4th gear), then explodes to life at 3000 rpm.
> > The coil is the next component I'm looking at, as it's the only =
thing not
> new or swapped in the ignition. (Knock sensor is the second one, =
brand new)
> > The local VW mechanic replaced my distrib and rotor and timed the =
motor.
> It was sluggish when I brought it to them (17+ second 1/4 mile), but =
ran
> normal. Should I be wary of the job they did? If the distrib cap =
is loose,
> I wouldn't be able to turn it by hand, right?
> > How about the rotor? How do I check that (visually) for problems?
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > > I had a similar problem with my car about a year and a half ago. =
I did
> > > nearly the same as you and started replacing what I "thought" =
was wrong.
> > > Bottom line: My coil was breaking down at high rpms and =
....well we
> all
> > > know what happens when you lose that... If you have already =
checked
> your
> > > specs on your coil,.... I can tell you that my coil checked out =
within
> specs
> > > when it was tested. (It was Still bad) Lastly,... Allyn and a =
few of
> us
> > > met a year or so ago when my car had a strange power loss =
cruising
> through
> > > the mountains in North Carolina. It was damn near always after =
the car
> had
> > > been running for a while and was completely warmed up... We =
swapped the
> > > ignition module for a brand new one from Adirondack and the =
problem was
> > > still there .... actually a bit worse it seemed. Out came a =
used one
> from
> > > Erics parts stash and the problem was solved. I never figured =
out why
> that
> > > one fixed the problem... But it has run like a bat out of hell =
since.
> > > Seems to me you have an ignition timing problem though. Chime =
in here
> > > guys,... but if I'm thinking correctly,.. Advance for low-end =
grunt and
> > > retard for top-end grunt... So I would look to see if your =
ignition
> timing
> > > is advanced too far. (I could have these backwards,... I'm =
typing on 0
> > > hours sleep here) Did you remove your distributor or loosen it =
to
> replace
> > > you cap and rotor?
> > > Let me know if this helps or not,
> > > Chris
> > > '88 16v Rocco
> > > '78 8v Rocco
> > > '80 Caddy
> > > '92 SLC
> > > '02 337 1.8T
> > > '00 GTI VR6
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ryan H" <rhock99@epix.net>
> > > To: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
> > > Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
> > >
> > >
> > > > I swapped the O2 sensor with a new one, and it didn't solve =
anything.
> I
> > > also tried a different coolant temp sensor (with cleaned =
contacts) and
> it
> > > still acts up.
> > > > I'm at a loss for what it is.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Brian McGarvey <brianm@earendel.org>
> > > > > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 08:57:17 EST
> > > > > To: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help
> > > > >
> > > > > That might be your o2 sensor...
> > > > > Brian
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Ryan H wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Any hints or procedures for testing the knock box wiring?
> > > > > > I've swapped two different (same PN) boxes and neither =
worked, and
> I
> > > still suspect a faulty knock system causing my car to have low =
power (no
> > > timing advance, won't rev past 4k, occasionally shuts off =
completely)
> > > > > > I have a brand new distributor/cap, could these be bad =
already?
> (The
> > > problem started a week or so after I replaced it, but I replaced =
many
> other
> > > things in that week, too).
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Scirocco-l mailing list
> > > > > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > =
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> > > > > Brian
> > > > > 88 16v $2003 GRM challenge car http://www.grmotorsports.com
> > > > > 84 0v Next years car got parts?
> > > > > 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. =
next.
> > > > > 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.
> > > > > 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.
> > > > >
> > > > > Contact method. Email me for AIM, ICQ, YahooIM, IRC, etc.
> > > > > =
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, the car's feeling have a great =
deal to do with=20
how it runs. Seriously. Just ask Cathy. or =
Julie. I've=20
even experienced this phenomena.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net"; title=3Drhock99@epix.net>Ryan =
H</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com"; =
title=3Ddeadbolt@mindspring.com>S.=20
Coleman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 09, 2003 =
3:40=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Knock box wiring =
testing=20
help</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Nope, I've tried everything I could, including =
replacing the=20
coil and transfer pump as of recently...<BR>I've come to the =
conclusion that=20
it will never be fixed, and the car will always run like crap because =
it hates=20
me. :(<BR><BR>> <BR>> From: "S. Coleman" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com";>deadbolt@mindspring.com</A>><B=
R>>=20
Date: 2003/02/09 Sun PM 04:40:59 EST<BR>> To: "Ryan H" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>><BR>> =
Subject: Re:=20
Knock box wiring testing help<BR>> <BR>> I've been super busy =
lately at=20
work... Did you ever figure out what was up<BR>> with your=20
car?<BR>> LMK,<BR>> Chris<BR>> ----- Original Message =
-----<BR>>=20
From: "Ryan H" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>><BR>> To: =
"S.=20
Coleman" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:deadbolt@mindspring.com";>deadbolt@mindspring.com</A>><B=
R>>=20
Cc: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>=20
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 11:26 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: Knock box =
wiring=20
testing help<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > Chris, did your problem =
lead to=20
low power even down low as well?<BR>> > My car just suddenly =
kicks like=20
I've got a 50,000 pound AC compressor,<BR>> then it won't rev past=20
4k. Sometimes, it kicks back to life and is fine for<BR>> a =
few=20
minutes. Occasionally, it's dead as a dog off the line (feels=20
like<BR>> starting in 4th gear), then explodes to life at 3000 =
rpm.<BR>>=20
> The coil is the next component I'm looking at, as it's the only =
thing=20
not<BR>> new or swapped in the ignition. (Knock sensor is the =
second=20
one, brand new)<BR>> > The local VW mechanic replaced my distrib =
and=20
rotor and timed the motor.<BR>> It was sluggish when I brought it =
to them=20
(17+ second 1/4 mile), but ran<BR>> normal. Should I be wary =
of the=20
job they did? If the distrib cap is loose,<BR>> I wouldn't be =
able to=20
turn it by hand, right?<BR>> > How about the rotor? How do =
I check=20
that (visually) for problems?<BR>> > Thanks!<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
><BR>> > > I had a similar problem with my car about a =
year and a=20
half ago. I did<BR>> > > nearly the same as you and =
started=20
replacing what I "thought" was wrong.<BR>> > > Bottom=20
line: My coil was breaking down at high rpms and ....well=20
we<BR>> all<BR>> > > know what happens when you lose =
that... =20
If you have already checked<BR>> your<BR>> > > specs on =
your=20
coil,.... I can tell you that my coil checked out within<BR>> =
specs<BR>>=20
> > when it was tested. (It was Still bad) =
Lastly,... Allyn=20
and a few of<BR>> us<BR>> > > met a year or so ago when my =
car had=20
a strange power loss cruising<BR>> through<BR>> > > the =
mountains=20
in North Carolina. It was damn near always after the car<BR>> =
had<BR>> > > been running for a while and was completely =
warmed=20
up... We swapped the<BR>> > > ignition module for a =
brand new=20
one from Adirondack and the problem was<BR>> > > still there=20
.... actually a bit worse it seemed. Out came a used =
one<BR>>=20
from<BR>> > > Erics parts stash and the problem was =
solved. I=20
never figured out why<BR>> that<BR>> > > one fixed the =
problem...=20
But it has run like a bat out of hell since.<BR>> > > Seems =
to me you=20
have an ignition timing problem though. Chime in here<BR>> =
> >=20
guys,... but if I'm thinking correctly,.. Advance for low-end =
grunt=20
and<BR>> > > retard for top-end grunt... So I =
would look=20
to see if your ignition<BR>> timing<BR>> > > is advanced =
too=20
far. (I could have these backwards,... I'm typing on 0<BR>> =
> >=20
hours sleep here) Did you remove your distributor or =
loosen it=20
to<BR>> replace<BR>> > > you cap and rotor?<BR>> > =
> Let=20
me know if this helps or not,<BR>> > > Chris<BR>> > =
> '88=20
16v Rocco<BR>> > > '78 8v Rocco<BR>> > > '80 =
Caddy<BR>>=20
> > '92 SLC<BR>> > > '02 337 1.8T<BR>> > > '00 =
GTI=20
VR6<BR>> > > ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > > =
From:=20
"Ryan H" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>><BR>> > =
> To:=20
"Brian McGarvey" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:brianm@earendel.org";>brianm@earendel.org</A>><BR>> =
>=20
> Cc: <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>=20
> > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:14 PM<BR>> > > =
Subject:=20
Re: Knock box wiring testing help<BR>> > ><BR>> > =
><BR>>=20
> > > I swapped the O2 sensor with a new one, and it didn't =
solve=20
anything.<BR>> I<BR>> > > also tried a different coolant =
temp=20
sensor (with cleaned contacts) and<BR>> it<BR>> > > still =
acts=20
up.<BR>> > > > I'm at a loss for what it is.<BR>> > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > > > From: =
Brian=20
McGarvey <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:brianm@earendel.org";>brianm@earendel.org</A>><BR>> =
>=20
> > > Date: 2003/01/27 Mon PM 08:57:17 EST<BR>> > > =
>=20
> To: Ryan H <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>rhock99@epix.net</A>><BR>> > =
> >=20
> Subject: Re: Knock box wiring testing help<BR>> > > > =
><BR>> > > > > That might be your o2 =
sensor...<BR>> >=20
> > > Brian<BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Ryan H =
wrote:<BR>>=20
> > > ><BR>> > > > > > Any hints or =
procedures=20
for testing the knock box wiring?<BR>> > > > > > =
I've=20
swapped two different (same PN) boxes and neither worked, and<BR>>=20
I<BR>> > > still suspect a faulty knock system causing my car =
to have=20
low power (no<BR>> > > timing advance, won't rev past 4k,=20
occasionally shuts off completely)<BR>> > > > > > I =
have a=20
brand new distributor/cap, could these be bad already?<BR>> =
(The<BR>>=20
> > problem started a week or so after I replaced it, but I =
replaced=20
many<BR>> other<BR>> > > things in that week, =
too).<BR>> >=20
> > > > Thanks.<BR>> > > > > ><BR>> =
> >=20
> > ><BR>> > > > > >=20
_______________________________________________<BR>> > > > =
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href=3D"mailto:Scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t; >=20
> > > > <A=20
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href=3D"http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayer=
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> > > > ><BR>> > > > ><BR>> > > =
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> --<BR>> > > > >=20
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> > > Brian<BR>> > > > > 88 16v $2003 GRM =
challenge=20
car <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.grmotorsports.com";>http://www.grmotorsports.com</A><BR=
>>=20
> > > > 84 0v Next years car got parts?<BR>> > > =
>=20
> 82 2.0L Topless bunny -- Knock Ignition and bigger clutch. =
next.<BR>>=20
> > > > 90 90q20v doing daily driver duty.<BR>> > =
> >=20
> 91 VFR750F everybody needs a 11-12 sec vehicle.<BR>> > > =
>=20
><BR>> > > > > Contact method. Email me for AIM, =
ICQ,=20
YahooIM, IRC, etc.<BR>> > > > >=20
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><BR>> >=20
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