[RE: cups v. coilovers?]

[losinit@usa.net (Cathy Boyko)]

"Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>From: "Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@comcast.net>
>
>There is over a 50lb difference in 8v and 16v engine weights. Put them o=
n a
>scale and you'll see.

where's the difference? the 16v head weighs in at 59 pounds...

>
> > Do you really think that the variation b/t 8/16v cars stock is more t=
han
>the
> > variation between owners, e.g. battery relocation, lightened flywheel=
,
>euro
> > bumpers, stress bars, sway bars (none in front on my car!), subframes=
,
>cross
> > member supports, a/c removal, etc?
>
>No, I certainly don't. :^) Once again, you're changing variables that =

>should
>remain constant for a scientific (read "apples to apples" comparison).

i don't debate that. for the love of god, all i want to know is how the c=
ups =

will work on my car! i'm not saying different weight cars won't handle =

differently using the same spring rate setup.

If
>you were to compare an 8v and 16v car with all else the same, the 16v ca=
r
>would weigh more up front by a margin more or less equal to the engine
>weight.
>
> > the original thought was that 8v/16v shocks/springs should be
> > different in the AFTERMARKET, which is absurd.
>
>If anything, the aftermarket is the exact place where the spring/damper
>rates *should* be different. That is what *tuning* is all about -optimiz=
ing
>the car beyond the factory's "one size fits all" set up.

exactly. so selling an aftermarket setup as 8v or 16v doesn't make sense;=
 =

everybody's car is special, and the spring rate is what counts. most peop=
le =

aren't using stock setups, so an "8v" spring or a "16v" spring doesn't ma=
ke =

sense.


>
>P.S. I hope somebody is getting something out of this thread. I've =

>continued
>with it to be constructive -not to be combative.

not to worry. i'm pretty sure we're the only 2 reading it...

Not so...(I just can't lurk)
cathy