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i have found this thread both entertaining and educational
-tony
Michael Abatzis <abatzis2@hotmail.com> wrote:>From: "Scott F. Williams"
>
>There is over a 50lb difference in 8v and 16v engine weights. Put them on a
>scale and you'll see.
where's the difference? the 16v head weighs in at 59 pounds...
>
> > Do you really think that the variation b/t 8/16v cars stock is more than
>the
> > variation between owners, e.g. battery relocation, lightened flywheel,
>euro
> > bumpers, stress bars, sway bars (none in front on my car!), subframes,
>cross
> > member supports, a/c removal, etc?
>
>No, I certainly don't. :^) Once again, you're changing variables that
>should
>remain constant for a scientific (read "apples to apples" comparison).
i don't debate that. for the love of god, all i want to know is how the cups
will work on my car! i'm not saying different weight cars won't handle
differently using the same spring rate setup.
If
>you were to compare an 8v and 16v car with all else the same, the 16v car
>would weigh more up front by a margin more or less equal to the engine
>weight.
>
> > the original thought was that 8v/16v shocks/springs should be
> > different in the AFTERMARKET, which is absurd.
>
>If anything, the aftermarket is the exact place where the spring/damper
>rates *should* be different. That is what *tuning* is all about -optimizing
>the car beyond the factory's "one size fits all" set up.
exactly. so selling an aftermarket setup as 8v or 16v doesn't make sense;
everybody's car is special, and the spring rate is what counts. most people
aren't using stock setups, so an "8v" spring or a "16v" spring doesn't make
sense.
>
>P.S. I hope somebody is getting something out of this thread. I've
>continued
>with it to be constructive -not to be combative.
not to worry. i'm pretty sure we're the only 2 reading it...
>--
>Scott F. Williams
>NJ Scirocco nut
>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS
>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle
>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"
>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."
-Michael Abatzis
Hotlanta! GA
1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not taking orders
yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html
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<P>i have found this thread both entertaining and educational
<P>-tony
<P> <B><I>Michael Abatzis <abatzis2@hotmail.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">>From: "Scott F. Williams" <SFWILLIAMS@COMCAST.NET><BR>><BR>>There is over a 50lb difference in 8v and 16v engine weights. Put them on a<BR>>scale and you'll see.<BR><BR>where's the difference? the 16v head weighs in at 59 pounds...<BR><BR>><BR>> > Do you really think that the variation b/t 8/16v cars stock is more than<BR>>the<BR>> > variation between owners, e.g. battery relocation, lightened flywheel,<BR>>euro<BR>> > bumpers, stress bars, sway bars (none in front on my car!), subframes,<BR>>cross<BR>> > member supports, a/c removal, etc?<BR>><BR>>No, I certainly don't. :^) Once again, you're changing variables that <BR>>should<BR>>remain constant for a scientific (read "apples to apples" comparison).<BR><BR>i don't debate that. for the love of god, all i want to know is how the cups <BR>will work on my car! i'm not saying different weight cars won't handle <BR>differently using the same spring rate setup.<BR><BR>If<BR>>you were to compare an 8v and 16v car with all else the same, the 16v car<BR>>would weigh more up front by a margin more or less equal to the engine<BR>>weight.<BR>><BR>> > the original thought was that 8v/16v shocks/springs should be<BR>> > different in the AFTERMARKET, which is absurd.<BR>><BR>>If anything, the aftermarket is the exact place where the spring/damper<BR>>rates *should* be different. That is what *tuning* is all about -optimizing<BR>>the car beyond the factory's "one size fits all" set up.<BR><BR>exactly. so selling an aftermarket setup as 8v or 16v doesn't make sense; <BR>everybody's car is special, and the spring rate is what counts. most people <BR>aren't using stock setups, so an "8v" spring or a "16v" spring doesn't make <BR>sense.<BR><BR><BR>><BR>>P.S. I hope somebody is getting something out of this thread. I've <BR>>continued<BR>>with it to be constructive -not to be combative.<BR><BR>not to worry. i'm pretty sure we're the only 2 reading it...<BR><BR><BR>>--<BR>>Scott F. Williams<BR>>NJ Scirocco nut<BR>>'99 Subaru Impreza 2.5 RS<BR>>Mazda 323 GTX turbo "assaulted" vehicle<BR>>Golf GTI 16v "rollycar"<BR>>ClubVAC: "Roads found. Drivers wanted."<BR><BR>-Michael Abatzis<BR>Hotlanta! GA<BR>1988 Scirocco 2L 16v RIP-->parting, prelim web site, but not taking orders <BR>yet: www.learnlink.emory.edu/~mabatzi/mikes_page1.html<BR>1987 Scirocco 2L 16v...<BR><BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* <BR>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Scirocco-l mailing list<BR>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>1987 2 or 3 tone 16v scirocco<p><br><hr size=1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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