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Yep,... Larry is correct here... I typed a little too fast on that =
last one. Mechanical timing is reverse of ignition timing. You do =
advance ignition timing for top end and retard for low end. Mechanical =
timing is just the opposite. My mistake. Just a little wired from work =
today.
Chris
Very simply put; retarding the IGNITION timing will give you a little =
more low end while advancing it will give a little more top end.
Now, the VALVE/CAM timing works just the opposite.
Larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Rhett Farnum=20
To: scourge@cogeco.ca ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: re:shift points for older engines]
<snip>
could somebody tell me what effects advancing/retarding the timing =
on the=20
engine and performence of the car, I have an idea but only what I've =
guessed=20
for myself, nobody's ever explained it really, lol
<snip>
I second this question. Could somebody please explain it?
Peace Out,
Rhett
Rocco_crossing
'83 Rocco (autocross ready, body work needed, starting this =
tommorrow)
'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera (DD)
>From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
>To: "Rocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: re:shift points for older engines]
>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:01:14 -0500
>
>ok....so, after changeing my fuel/air ratio, air filter, =
sparkplugs, and
>turning my idle back down, I'm at 19mpg (plus it's up to 0 degrees =
C
>from -15 last week)
>
>I changed my timing today, as recomended by my mechanic, to 6 * =
advance
>I bumped it before I had a chance to check what it was at, but I =
think it
>was around 25* advance
>
>could somebody tell me what effects advancing/retarding the timing =
on the
>engine and performence of the car, I have an idea but only what =
I've=20
>guessed
>for myself, nobody's ever explained it really, lol
>
>thanx
> George
>
>and thanx for the help everyone!!
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Cathy Boyko" <losinit@usa.net>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [RE: shift points for older engines]
>
>
>Vince Royer <vince@performancecarstereo.com> wrote:
>12 mpg? Something's gotta be wrong. I get almost 40 from the =
exact same
>motor!
> My motor's different, but I got way better than that this summer =
with=20
>the
>mixture way off the map on the rich end...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Scourge
> > Sent: February 1, 2003 10:28 PM
> > To: Rocco list
> > Subject: Fw: shift points for older engines
> >
> >
> > I'm driving an an 82' with somewhere over 250k on a 1.7
> > it's hits 7k quite regularly.......I'm addicted to hight rpm
> > after having a
> > golf that stopped making power at 5k, lol
> >
> >
> > quick question as well...I leaned out my fuel/air a bit so I can
> > get better
> > mileage...I've never really tried tuning the engine myself
> > before, how lean
> > is too lean and how can I tell? and what are the effects on the =
engine?
> > any tips to tuning it? (for power and mileage)
> > any other tricks to get good gas mileage??
> >
> > thanx
> > George
> >
> > p.s. the reason I decided to tune it on my own........12mpg from
> > a 1.7.....
> > I was getting 36mpg in my golf, my wallet hurts, lol
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daun Yeagley" <vwdaun@yahoo.com>
> > To: <FabricSign@aol.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: shift points for older engines
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- FabricSign@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Anybody who's running an older engine (mine has 120k +
> > > > miles on it),
> > > > how hard is it safe to run it? I'm wondering if I coddle
> > > > mine too much,
> > > > e.g. I tend to upshift at around 2500 to 3500 rpm, and
> > > > rarely rev past
> > > > 4000 in any gear.
> > >
> > > Older engine? Ha, yours is barely broken in. Plus, it's a
> > > JH, which is damn near indestructable.
> > >
> > > All of my engines have over 200k. None use appreciable
> > > amounts of oil or any other fluid, and all see redline on a
> > > frequent basis. Just make sure your oil temp is at least
> > > 80 C before winding it up, and you should be fine.
> > >
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Yep,... Larry is correct =
here... I=20
typed a little too fast on that last one. Mechanical timing is =
reverse=20
of ignition timing. You do advance ignition timing for top end =
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retard for low end. Mechanical timing is just the =
opposite. =20
My mistake. Just a little wired from work today.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Chris<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very simply put; retarding the =
IGNITION timing=20
will give you a little more low end while advancing it will give a =
little more=20
top end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, the VALVE/CAM timing works just =
the=20
opposite.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Drocco_crossing@hotmail.com=20
href=3D"mailto:rocco_crossing@hotmail.com";>Rhett Farnum</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscourge@cogeco.ca=20
href=3D"mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca";>scourge@cogeco.ca</A> ; <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 03, =
2003 5:08=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> re:shift points for =
older=20
engines]</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><snip><BR>could somebody tell me what effects=20
advancing/retarding the timing on the <BR>engine and performence of =
the car,=20
I have an idea but only what I've guessed <BR>for myself, nobody's =
ever=20
explained it really, lol<BR><snip><BR><BR>I second this =
question.=20
Could somebody please explain it?<BR><BR>Peace=20
Out,<BR>Rhett<BR>Rocco_crossing<BR>'83 Rocco (autocross ready, body =
work=20
needed, starting this tommorrow)<BR>'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera=20
(DD)<BR><BR><BR><BR>>From: "Scourge" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca";>scourge@cogeco.ca</A>><BR>>To: =
"Rocco=20
list" <<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>Subject:=20
re:shift points for older engines]<BR>>Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 =
20:01:14=20
-0500<BR>><BR>>ok....so, after changeing my fuel/air ratio, =
air=20
filter, sparkplugs, and<BR>>turning my idle back down, I'm at =
19mpg (plus=20
it's up to 0 degrees C<BR>>from -15 last =
week)<BR>><BR>>I=20
changed my timing today, as recomended by my mechanic, to 6 *=20
advance<BR>>I bumped it before I had a chance to check what it =
was at,=20
but I think it<BR>>was around 25* advance<BR>><BR>>could =
somebody=20
tell me what effects advancing/retarding the timing on =
the<BR>>engine and=20
performence of the car, I have an idea but only what I've=20
<BR>>guessed<BR>>for myself, nobody's ever explained it =
really,=20
lol<BR>><BR>>thanx<BR>> =20
George<BR>><BR>>and thanx for the help =
everyone!!<BR>><BR>>-----=20
Original Message -----<BR>>From: "Cathy Boyko" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:losinit@usa.net";>losinit@usa.net</A>><BR>>To: =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>><B=
R>>Sent:=20
Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:35 PM<BR>>Subject: Re: [RE: shift =
points for=20
older engines]<BR>><BR>><BR>>Vince Royer <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>vince@performancecarstereo=
.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>12 mpg? Something's gotta be wrong. I get =
almost=20
40 from the exact same<BR>>motor!<BR>> My motor's=20
different, but I got way better than that this summer with=20
<BR>>the<BR>>mixture way off the map on the rich=20
end...<BR>><BR>> > -----Original Message-----<BR>> > =
From: <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>>=20
> [<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Scourge<BR>> > Sent: February 1, 2003 10:28 =
PM<BR>> >=20
To: Rocco list<BR>> > Subject: Fw: shift points for older=20
engines<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > I'm driving an an 82' =
with=20
somewhere over 250k on a 1.7<BR>> > it's hits 7k quite=20
regularly.......I'm addicted to hight rpm<BR>> > after having=20
a<BR>> > golf that stopped making power at 5k, lol<BR>>=20
><BR>> ><BR>> > quick question as well...I leaned out =
my=20
fuel/air a bit so I can<BR>> > get better<BR>> > =
mileage...I've=20
never really tried tuning the engine myself<BR>> > before, how =
lean<BR>> > is too lean and how can I tell? and what are the =
effects=20
on the engine?<BR>> > any tips to tuning it? (for power and=20
mileage)<BR>> > any other tricks to get good gas =
mileage??<BR>>=20
><BR>> > thanx<BR>> > =
George<BR>>=20
><BR>> > p.s. the reason I decided to tune it on my=20
own........12mpg from<BR>> > a 1.7.....<BR>> > I was =
getting=20
36mpg in my golf, my wallet hurts, lol<BR>> ><BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> ----- Original Message -----<BR>> > From: "Daun Yeagley" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:vwdaun@yahoo.com";>vwdaun@yahoo.com</A>><BR>> =
> To:=20
<<A =
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Re: shift=20
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><BR>>=20
> > --- <A =
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wrote:<BR>> > > ><BR>> > > > Anybody who's =
running=20
an older engine (mine has 120k +<BR>> > > > miles on=20
it),<BR>> > > > how hard is it safe to run it? I'm =
wondering if I coddle<BR>> > > > mine too much,<BR>> =
>=20
> > e.g. I tend to upshift at around 2500 to 3500 rpm, =
and<BR>>=20
> > > rarely rev past<BR>> > > > 4000 in any=20
gear.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > Older engine? Ha, =
yours is=20
barely broken in. Plus, it's a<BR>> > > JH, which is =
damn=20
near indestructable.<BR>> > ><BR>> > > All of my =
engines=20
have over 200k. None use appreciable<BR>> > > amounts =
of oil=20
or any other fluid, and all see redline on a<BR>> > > =
frequent=20
basis. Just make sure your oil temp is at least<BR>> > =
> 80 C=20
before winding it up, and you should be fine.<BR>> > =
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