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flex-a-lite wiring help

Subject: flex-a-lite wiring help
From: txrocco at sbcglobal.net (ATS - Patrick Bureau)
Date: Wed Aug 20 05:11:12 2003
In-reply-to: <5BF28E76-D27F-11D7-AF8F-0030654D97EC@digipen.edu>
change it and see if that solves the problem, and you are sure you have the
wires running the way the diagram shows ?

ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
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=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: Chris Venturini [mailto:cventuri@digipen.edu]
=>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:57 PM
=>To: ATS - Patrick Bureau
=>Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>Subject: Re: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>
=>
=>Ok, I did that. Still no go. So Im certain it has to be the OEM relay.
=>I'll try that out once I get it. If that doesn't do it.....
=>
=>
=>On Tuesday, August 19, 2003, at 10:00 AM, ATS - Patrick Bureau wrote:
=>
=>> yes the original brown wire coming from the OEM relay must be
=>> grounded, I
=>> grounded the red wires of the dual fan together with the browm wire of
=>> the
=>> oem setup back to the battery.
=>>
=>>
=>> ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
=>> ----------------------------------------------
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=>>
=>>
=>> =>-----Original Message-----
=>> =>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
=>> =>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Chris Venturini
=>> =>Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 4:04 PM
=>> =>To: ATS - Patrick Bureau
=>> =>Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>> =>Subject: Re: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>> =>
=>> =>
=>> =>*sigh*
=>> =>
=>> =>ok, Round 3
=>> =>
=>> =>Today's the day...or maybe tomarrow.
=>> =>
=>> =>So I touched the wires to the battery and the fans work great! But
=>> when
=>> =>I hook it all back up I still get nothing. So now its down to 3
=>> =>things...i think. 1.) The OEM relay. Where can i find this, and how
=>> do
=>> =>I test it/fix it? 2.) The original brown fan wire. Its just hanging
=>> =>there. Is that right? 3.)I guess I could have a bad ground??
=>> =>
=>> =>Keep in mind Im not good at this stuff, yet. Im just an animator, not
=>> =>an electrician/mechanic. So talk to me like Im 12 or something.
=>> =>
=>> =>-chris
=>> =>
=>> =>On Friday, August 15, 2003, at 06:08 AM, ATS - Patrick Bureau wrote:
=>> =>
=>> =>> if you had the twi black wire (shown as brown on the diagram) to
=>> =>> seperate
=>> =>> relays then you made the mistake of not reading the diagram
=>> properly.
=>> =>> both wires must be be together, and uyou run 2 leads from each port
=>> =>> #87 on
=>> =>> each relays, and attch them together then together with the black
=>> wire.
=>> =>> not seperation at all. the diagram is clear and consice, make sure
=>> your
=>> =>> wires at properly wires to the right connection, if in doubt there
=>> =>> could be
=>> =>> a chance you have a bad fan, touch the battery poles with your fan
=>> =>> wires...
=>> =>> you will see if it "turbines" or not (youll know what I mean by
=>> =>> turbine when
=>> =>> you test it)
=>> =>>
=>> =>> Once you have the wirring correctly done, and you get the same
=>> result,
=>> =>> I
=>> =>> would check the OEM relay where the power is coming from.
=>> =>>
=>> =>> ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
=>> =>> ----------------------------------------------
=>> =>> MSN:ATSGTX@hotmail.com |YAHOO:ATSGTX@yahoo.com
=>> =>> ICQ:32918816           |AIM:Texasscirocco
=>> =>> ----------------------------------------------
=>> =>>
=>> =>>
=>> =>> =>-----Original Message-----
=>> =>> =>From: Chris Venturini [mailto:cventuri@digipen.edu]
=>> =>> =>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:14 PM
=>> =>> =>To: ATS - Patrick Bureau
=>> =>> =>Cc: Ryan H; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>> =>> =>Subject: Re: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>ok, round 2.
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>I havent gotten much chance to work on this since i get home from
=>> =>> work
=>> =>> =>at dusk, and I have no garage/lights. But I did manage to get it
=>> =>> "test"
=>> =>> =>wired. But its still not workin. I got the 2 relays and they are
=>> all
=>> =>> =>wired up like it shows in the diagram here
=>> =>> =><http://home.epix.net/~rhock99/pics/fan7.jpg> nothin. This of
=>> course
=>> =>> =>after I let it warm up and get to high temp. Then I started
=>> messin
=>> =>> =>around just trying to get a spark or some sign of current, and i
=>> =>> =>attached the original brown vw fan wire to the high speed relay
=>> prong
=>> =>> =>36 (where the red/white wire was) and one fan came on....kinda.
=>> it
=>> =>> was
=>> =>> =>very weak. Anyways, thats the best I could do tonight....and
=>> here i
=>> =>> am
=>> =>> =>once again confused. Looking at the diagram again, i know for
=>> sure i
=>> =>> =>had it all wired right, except for the two black flex-a-lite
=>> wires. I
=>> =>> =>had them each go to seperate relays. Im assuming thats wrong?
=>> What
=>> =>> =>other reason might there be for it not working, other than my
=>> =>> stupidity?
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 05:08 AM, ATS - Patrick Bureau
=>> wrote:
=>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> well if you are not using relays, the red wires from the fan
=>> are
=>> =>> to be
=>> =>> =>> connected to a ground source, the brown wires are to be
=>> connected
=>> =>> to
=>> =>> =>> the low
=>> =>> =>> speed wire, (red/black) and the red/white well it does nothing
=>> =>> because
=>> =>> =>> your
=>> =>> =>> not using relays, plug it, I had mine setup like this for 2
=>> years
=>> =>> =>> without a
=>> =>> =>> problem, but if your  radiator (or collant system) is not super
=>> =>> clean,
=>> =>> =>> squeaky clean, you will get maybe issues when you need high
=>> speed,
=>> =>> one
=>> =>> =>> of
=>> =>> =>> the worries though never happened to me because my coolant
=>> system
=>> =>> was
=>> =>> =>> revamped anyways.
=>> =>> =>>
=>> =>> =>> ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
=>> =>> =>> ----------------------------------------------
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=>> =>> =>> ICQ:32918816           |AIM:Texasscirocco
=>> =>> =>> ----------------------------------------------
=>> =>> =>>
=>> =>> =>>
=>> =>> =>> =>-----Original Message-----
=>> =>> =>> =>From: Chris Venturini [mailto:cventuri@digipen.edu]
=>> =>> =>> =>Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:27 AM
=>> =>> =>> =>To: Ryan H
=>> =>> =>> =>Cc: ATS - Patrick Bureau; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>> =>> =>> =>Subject: Re: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>Ok, yeah Im confused. I put the two red fan wires together
=>> with
=>> =>> the
=>> =>> =>> =>brown. And the two black fan wires with the red/white? and
=>> the
=>> =>> =>> =>red/black does what? its just hangin there right now. I
=>> guess i
=>> =>> just
=>> =>> =>> =>want the two fans to come on at the same time.
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>On Saturday, August 9, 2003, at 09:24 PM, Ryan H wrote:
=>> =>> =>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>> Awesome job on hiding the relays Patrick, I shoulda
=>> thought of
=>> =>> =>> that!
=>> =>> =>> =>> Do you mind if I put that pic up on my tech note?  Anyway,
=>> for
=>> =>> the
=>> =>> =>> =>> tech note, you need to type the full address or else it
=>> won't
=>> =>> let
=>> =>> =>> you
=>> =>> =>> =>> in: http://home.epix.net/~rhock99/scirocco.htm
=>> =>> =>> =>> Chris, whichever way you decide to do the wiring, ask first
=>> =>> and I'm
=>> =>> =>> =>> sure you'll get some good ideas and detailed how-tos.
=>> Later!
=>> =>> =>> =>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> Date: 2003/08/09 Sat PM 09:45:42 EDT
=>> =>> =>> =>>> To: "Chris Venturini" <cventuri@digipen.edu>,
=>> =>> =>> =>>> 	<Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> Subject: RE: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> here is how I did mine, taking the idea from someone
=>> else.. (I
=>> =>> =>> take no
=>> =>> =>> =>>> credit on this mod)
=>> =>> =>> =>>> actually the mod came from another scirocco owner =>  R y
=>> a n
=>> =>> =>> H o
=>> =>> =>> =>>> c k e n
=>> =>> =>> =>>> b u r y  , and this is tech note web site
=>> =>> =>> =>>> <http://home.epix.net/~rhock99/>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> address, anyay here is the the diagram is the one I used,
=>> and
=>> =>> it
=>> =>> =>> works
=>> =>> =>> =>>> perfect
=>> =>> <http://longcoeur.com/scirocco/various/radfan/fan7.jpg>,
=>> =>> =>> this
=>> =>> =>> =>>> is
=>> =>> =>> =>>> what it looks like. the 2 relays hold unto the fan with
=>> =>> (because
=>> =>> =>> they
=>> =>> =>> =>>> came
=>> =>> =>> =>>> with a single block unit with 2 relays on them) a single
=>> tie
=>> =>> wrap
=>> =>> =>> =>>> passing
=>> =>> =>> =>>> throught the casing of the fan , so the relay are hidden
=>> =>> inside
=>> =>> =>> the
=>> =>> =>> =>>> fan as
=>> =>> =>> =>>> shown by this image
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> <http://longcoeur.com/scirocco/various/radfan/P5100017.JPG>.
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
=>> =>> =>> =>>> ----------------------------------------------
=>> =>> =>> =>>> MSN:ATSGTX@hotmail.com |YAHOO:ATSGTX@yahoo.com
=>> =>> =>> =>>> ICQ:32918816           |AIM:Texasscirocco
=>> =>> =>> =>>> ----------------------------------------------
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>-----Original Message-----
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of
=>> Chris
=>> =>> =>> Venturini
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:58 PM
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>To: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>Subject: flex-a-lite wiring help
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>I need help wiring a flex-a-lite fan. Everywhere I read
=>> =>> about it
=>> =>> =>> =>>> doesnt
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>tell you how to do it completely. Or maybe Im just too
=>> =>> stupid to
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>understand it. Ive got(on the fans) 2 black, and 2 red.
=>> Then
=>> =>> =>> the car
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>has a brown, a red/white, and a red/black. Can anyone
=>> walk
=>> =>> me
=>> =>> =>> =>>> through
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>this?
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>
=>> =>> =>> =>>> =>
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