WRX vs. 1.8t

[mkii@nycap.rr.com (Josh20V)]

 haven't been paying any attention to this thread, so I don't know if this
was brought up or not. But the WRX when on the dyno is producing much
smaller numbers than advertised, they need mods just to get to where they
should be at according to the factory.


Josh Able
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Neal Tovsen" <nealtovsen@yahoo.com>
To: "Rabbit16v" <Rabbit16v@attbi.com>; "Scirocco List"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: WRX vs. 1.8t


> OK, these arguments are getting a bit absurd. So you
> like the 1.8T? Great! That's totally cool, and it is a
> great car. Nobody is arguing that. Nobody has, and
> nobody will.
>
> Buy why bash something you haven't tried yet? Why do
> you feel required to make this stuff up? Does it
> threaten you so much? You're certainly entitled to
> your opinions, but you should have some knowledge of
> the opposition so you know you're correct. If you're
> so biased that you'll never buy an asian car, that is
> your right, but don't pretend it's based on objective
> performance facts.
>
> Magazine ads and reviews are clearly not enough
> evidence for you. I respect that, and in fact think
> that's a good thing since you're right: they
> definitely are biased. However I therefore challenge
> you to go test drive the car and prove your own
> theories for youself. I would also insist that, in
> order to actually see what the car is like in
> performance scenarios, go to an autocross and take
> rides with owners of both cars...hopefully both with
> good drivers.
>
> Pay attention when you're at the autox, and note that
> the 1.8T (incl. the 337) isn't even in the same class
> (GS) as the WRX (DS). The 1.8T's are in GS with the
> 2.5RS, and while the RS has a number of national-level
> trophies, nobody drives a 1.8T competitively in GS (or
> any other class where the 1.8T is legal). For
> real-world, side-by-side comparison, go to
> http://www.scca.org and look through the ProSolo and
> National Tour results for the past year.
>
> If you don't like something, that's fine. But if
> you've never tried it and know nothing about it, don't
> be surprised if people stop listening.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Rabbit16v <Rabbit16v@attbi.com> wrote:
> > Well, I see two problems here.  One is IF a 1.8T
> > pulls harder with just FWD than an AWD car that is
> > suppose to be over 200hp the question is do you NEED
> > AWD?  I don't and probably never will NEED it so why
> > not go for the lower hp lower maintenance vehicle
> > that is faster in the first place?  If you don't
> > NEED AWD then why buy a car that sells by it's hp
> > that gets sucked up in the drivetrain?
> >
> > The second problem is that anyone who believes that
> > the WRX has the horsepower they advertise at the
> > wheels is a chump.  Forever German manufacturers
> > have advertised conservative wheel hp and Asian
> > manufacturers have advertised liberal crank hp.  I
> > don't know for sure if it has changed but I will
> > never be convinced by an advertisement!!
> >
> > I'll never own an Asian car!!
> >
> > Dave
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: XXSpArCoXx@aol.com
> >   To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >   Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:43 PM
> >   Subject: Re: WRX vs. 1.8t
> >
> >
> >   In a message dated 10/24/02 2:45:17 PM Eastern
> > Daylight Time, SCIROCCO_SPEED@msn.com writes:
> >
> >
> >     but for some reason, a 150hp 1.8t in a VW seems
> > to pull harder in the first few gears than a 180hp
> > Audi ???
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Hmm lets think . . all wheel drive system. It
> > takes more power from the car. Sure it won't have as
> > much pull of the line. But you can build stronger
> > motor on all wheel drive system and not worry as
> > much about traction issues.
> >
> >   On the Highway I have no real problem keeping up
> > with modded 1.8t's with my RS where as with my 16v I
> > tend to get drop up until the real high MPH's
> >
> >   Ok I'm off . . I must figure out how to
> > sequentially turbo charge my RS . .
> >
> >   Later
> >   ~Danny~
> >   88 16v
> >   01 2.5 RS
>
>
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