http://www.vwot.org/meetings/Oct2002/vwot4-01.mpg http://www.vwot.org/meetings/Oct2002/vwot4-08.mpg The first one is with the e-brake on full. I had some help with the second one. This was at the VWofT get-together last weekend. Ben 81 Scirocco 2L16V EFI 81 Caddy 91 Passat GL 89 Golf GT oval track