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RE: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroomUltimate power potential? Keith =
Black all-aluminum 600cu in hemi. =20
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: BcH=20
To: 'scirocco'=20
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
Dan makes many excellent points however I would like to =
explore/contest this statement and use it as a discussion "When you =
consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!"
How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power motor? =20
Lets put the brain trust to work and get some opinions and dialog =
going. I know that there are many of us building interesting high $$ =
and high HP motors......it would be nice to see what people think.
Brian Honnold=20
Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions=20
Pacific Capital Investments=20
Phone: 916.773.3300=20
Fax: 916.773.3208=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org=20
> [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb=20
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:37 AM=20
> To: Brian Honnold=20
> Cc: 'scirocco'=20
> Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom=20
>=20
>=20
> First off 150 HP from a 1.8T is not the same as 150 from an 8V or =
16V.=20
> If you put the torque curves on top of each other you will=20
> see the area=20
> under the curve is significantly greater for the 1.8T. Plus,=20
> getting 200=20
> Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to do. Matching=20
> this power=20
> out of a 2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't cheap either. It's =
either=20
> ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) + cams + P&P=20
> etc. or turbo=20
> When you consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!=20
> I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only 150 then this can =
be=20
> obtained easier than swapping the 1.8T.=20
> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost of the 1.8T swap =
becomes=20
> more reasonable in light of the cost of upgrades to other possible=20
> swaps.=20
> Dan=20
>=20
> > BcH wrote:=20
> >=20
> > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.=20
> >=20
> > The 1.8T is not now and never will be the best option for a=20
> swap. It=20
> > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the highest $$ per=20
> HP that you=20
> > can do.=20
> >=20
> > Not only do you pay out the ass for the components, you=20
> only get 150HP=20
> > for your trouble. Add an additional $1000+ for EFI, $1000+=20
> for a real=20
> > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 for=20
> miscellaneous upgrades=20
> > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc injectors).=20
> >=20
> > Brian Honnold=20
> > Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions=20
> > Pacific Capital Investments=20
> > Phone: 916.773.3300=20
> > Fax: 916.773.3208=20
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----=20
> > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org=20
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of ATS -=20
> > > Patrick Bureau=20
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:13 PM=20
> > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net; scirocco=20
> > > Subject: Re: Engines- Vroom vroom=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid conversion then,=20
> > > well it all depends on your budget for a complte swap out.=20
> > >=20
> > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be a 1.8T=20
> > >=20
> > > ATS - Patrick Bureau=20
> > > 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project=20
> > > 1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily Drive)=20
> > > http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/=20
> > > http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > --- "rept" <rept@qwest.net> wrote:=20
> > > >If it's complete- and just needs to be dropped in- thats=20
> > > easy enough. I=20
> > > >deal with the logitics of components- but not the internal=20
> > > replacement=20
> > > >like my last swap.=20
> > > >=20
> > >=20
> > > _____________________________________________________________=20
> > > Free email, forums and features for events, clubs and cars.=20
> > > Show Pride in Your Ride with a yourname@vwmail.net address=20
> > > from http://www.vwmail.net=20
> > >=20
> > > _______________________________________________=20
> > > Scirocco-l mailing list=20
> > > Scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
> > > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l=20
> > >=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________=20
> Scirocco-l mailing list=20
> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
> http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>'scirocco'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 10, =
2002 10:41=20
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Vroom vroom</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Dan makes many excellent points however I would like =
to=20
explore/contest this statement and use it as a discussion "When you =
consider=20
ultimate power potential there's no contest!"</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power =
motor? =20
</FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Lets put the brain trust to work and get some =
opinions and=20
dialog going. I know that there are many of us building =
interesting high=20
$$ and high HP motors......it would be nice to see what people=20
think.</FONT></P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Brian Honnold</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Vice =
President=20
Multifamily Acquisitions</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Pacific Capital=20
Investments</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Phone: 916.773.3300</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>Fax: 916.773.3208</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> [<A =
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of Dan Bubb</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Sent: Thursday, =
October 10,=20
2002 10:37 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> To: Brian Honnold</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> Cc: 'scirocco'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Subject: =
1.8T swap:=20
was: Engines- Vroom vroom</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> First off 150 HP from a =
1.8T is not=20
the same as 150 from an 8V or 16V.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> If =
you put the=20
torque curves on top of each other you will </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> see=20
the area</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> under the curve is =
significantly greater=20
for the 1.8T. Plus, </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> getting 200</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to do. =
Matching=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> this power</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> out of a=20
2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't cheap either. It's either</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) + cams + =
P&P=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> etc. or turbo</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> When=20
you consider ultimate power potential there's no contest!</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only 150 =
then this can=20
be</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> obtained easier than swapping the =
1.8T.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> If your HP goal is much higher then the cost =
of the 1.8T=20
swap becomes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> more reasonable in light =
of the cost=20
of upgrades to other possible</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
swaps.</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> Dan</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > BcH wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > The 1.8T is not now and never will =
be the=20
best option for a </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> swap. It</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the highest =
$$ per=20
</FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> HP that you</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> > can=20
do.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
> Not=20
only do you pay out the ass for the components, you </FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> only get 150HP</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > for =
your=20
trouble. Add an additional $1000+ for EFI, $1000+ =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> for a real</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > turbo =
manifold and=20
charger and another $500 for </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
miscellaneous=20
upgrades</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > to make it moderately =
realiable=20
(aka 330cc injectors).</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > Brian Honnold</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
Vice=20
President Multifamily Acquisitions</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
Pacific=20
Capital Investments</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Phone: =20
916.773.3300</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Fax: =
916.773.3208</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > >=20
-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > =
From:=20
scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > =
[<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
Behalf Of ATS -</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Patrick =
Bureau</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 =
2:13=20
PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net;=20
scirocco</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Subject: Re: =
Engines- Vroom=20
vroom</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
> AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid conversion =
then,</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > well it all depends on your budget =
for a=20
complte swap out.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be a =
1.8T</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
> ATS -=20
Patrick Bureau</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > 1985 8v Euro =
GTX 3A/JH=20
Project</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > 1985 8v Euro GT =
Project (Daily=20
Drive)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/";>http://www.longcoeur.com/scir=
occo/</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > <A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/";>http://www.texassciroccoteam.o=
rg/</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > --- "rept" <rept@qwest.net>=20
wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > >If it's complete- =
and just=20
needs to be dropped in- thats</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > =
easy=20
enough. I</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > >deal with =
the=20
logitics of components- but not the internal</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>> >=20
> replacement</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > >like my =
last=20
swap.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > ></FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > >=20
_____________________________________________________________</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > > Free email, forums and features for events, =
clubs and=20
cars.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > Show Pride in Your Ride =
with a=20
yourname@vwmail.net address</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > =
from <A=20
href=3D"http://www.vwmail.net";>http://www.vwmail.net</A></FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>> > ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > >=20
_______________________________________________</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>>=20
> > Scirocco-l mailing list</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > =
>=20
Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > > <A=20
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