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1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
I agree with brian,
The 1.8t's are nice, but not the final word in
performance. The are expensive to buy & expensive to
maintain. They are robust, but not any more so that a
factory 16v. I've had a 16v turbo(1.8L) running for a
little over a month now. It cost me around $3K to put
toghether. I dyno'd at 171 to the road at 5 PSI (my
home made boost controller broke & thats all I could
run) I am running 8 psi now & should be over 200 whp.
In driving the car there is no comparison to a
natrually aspirated car... I've ridden in various 2
liter setups and the turbo wins hands down. You don't
know till you roll on the throttle in second and it
just rips up the tires. (falken azenis too). Its
probably not the best auto-x set up as the power comes
on in a surge, but boy is it fun to drive. I'll have
pics as soon as I can find the time to develop them.
below is a list of things in the set up:
sds stand alone management.
t3t4 turbo
homemade turbo manifold
custom saab single pass i/c
3" from the turbo back (also home made sounds mean)
ross machine fuel rail
I am happy with the set up & will be increasing the
boost as soon as I can get my hands on a wideband o2
sensor from a 92-95 civic vx (anyone know someone that
did a motor swap & has a spare?) Anyoe else on the
list have SDS on a turbo set up? Wondering what you
gas mileage is like. Mine sucks, but its probably
because I am always in boost.
Tony
--- BcH <bhonnold@pac-cap.com> wrote:
> Dan makes many excellent points however I would like
> to explore/contest this
> statement and use it as a discussion "When you
> consider ultimate power
> potential there's no contest!"
>
> How would the 1.8T be THE ultimate power motor?
>
> Lets put the brain trust to work and get some
> opinions and dialog going. I
> know that there are many of us building interesting
> high $$ and high HP
> motors......it would be nice to see what people
> think.
>
>
> Brian Honnold
> Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions
> Pacific Capital Investments
> Phone: 916.773.3300
> Fax: 916.773.3208
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of
> Dan Bubb
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:37 AM
> > To: Brian Honnold
> > Cc: 'scirocco'
> > Subject: 1.8T swap: was: Engines- Vroom vroom
> >
> >
> > First off 150 HP from a 1.8T is not the same as
> 150 from an 8V or 16V.
> > If you put the torque curves on top of each other
> you will
> > see the area
> > under the curve is significantly greater for the
> 1.8T. Plus,
> > getting 200
> > Hp out of the 1.8T is a $400 chip and trivial to
> do. Matching
> > this power
> > out of a 2.0 16V can be done, but that isn't cheap
> either. It's either
> > ITB with standalone engine management ($2500) +
> cams + P&P
> > etc. or turbo
> > When you consider ultimate power potential there's
> no contest!
> > I think if you decide your HP goal and it's only
> 150 then this can be
> > obtained easier than swapping the 1.8T.
> > If your HP goal is much higher then the cost of
> the 1.8T swap becomes
> > more reasonable in light of the cost of upgrades
> to other possible
> > swaps.
> > Dan
> >
> > > BcH wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh god NOT THIS AGAIN.
> > >
> > > The 1.8T is not now and never will be the best
> option for a
> > swap. It
> > > IS in fact the most difficult swap with the
> highest $$ per
> > HP that you
> > > can do.
> > >
> > > Not only do you pay out the ass for the
> components, you
> > only get 150HP
> > > for your trouble. Add an additional $1000+ for
> EFI, $1000+
> > for a real
> > > turbo manifold and charger and another $500 for
> > miscellaneous upgrades
> > > to make it moderately realiable (aka 330cc
> injectors).
> > >
> > > Brian Honnold
> > > Vice President Multifamily Acquisitions
> > > Pacific Capital Investments
> > > Phone: 916.773.3300
> > > Fax: 916.773.3208
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On
> Behalf Of ATS -
> > > > Patrick Bureau
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:13 PM
> > > > To: rept; ats@vwmail.net; scirocco
> > > > Subject: Re: Engines- Vroom vroom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AH so you are not looking for a 2L 8v hybrid
> conversion then,
> > > > well it all depends on your budget for a
> complte swap out.
> > > >
> > > > preferences for an scirocco.. would be a 1.8T
> > > >
> > > > ATS - Patrick Bureau
> > > > 1985 8v Euro GTX 3A/JH Project
> > > > 1985 8v Euro GT Project (Daily Drive)
> > > > http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco/
> > > > http://www.texassciroccoteam.org/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- "rept" <rept@qwest.net> wrote:
> > > > >If it's complete- and just needs to be
> dropped in- thats
> > > > easy enough. I
> > > > >deal with the logitics of components- but not
> the internal
> > > > replacement
> > > > >like my last swap.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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