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Subject: Ignition system
From: aculda@cogeco.ca (Adrian C.)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:12:50 -0500
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go take a look at a crane setup ...
they seem to be pretty good ..
and seems like they deliver a pretty strong Spark too 1200 milijoules =
compared to the MSD which only has 120 milijoules ..
go take a look at their HI6 line-up i have on order the HI6 DSR
( http://www.cranecams.com/ignition/hi6dsr.htm )
CRANE HI6 DSR
      Operating voltage
     6 to 18 volts, reverse polarity protected, negative ground only
    =20
      Current draw
       7.0 amps max at 10,000 RPM
    =20
      RPM operating range
     12,000+ RPM (with rev limiter disabled).
    =20
      RPM limiter range
     600 to 9,900 RPM in 100 RPM increments
    =20
      RPM limiter accuracy
     =B130 RPM
    =20
      Timing accuracy
     =B10.5 degrees from 500 to 9,900 RPM
    =20
      Multiple Spark Duration
       20=B0 crankshaft rotation below  3,000 RPM. Maximum 12 sparks per =
sequence with 1 millisecond interval between sparks.
    =20
      Primary voltage output
     450 volts
    =20
      Primary energy output
     1200 millijoules/sequence
    =20
      Peak spark gap current
     380 milliamps with LX91 coil, 510 milliamps with LX92 coil
    =20

MSD 6AL

      Operating Voltage:  +10-18 VDC Negative Ground=20
      Current Requirements:  5 Amps-5,000 RPM
       10 Amps-10,000 RPM=20
      RPM Range:  15,000 RPM with 14.4 Volts=20
      Spark Duration:  20=B0 Crankshaft Rotation=20
      Energy Output Max:  105-115 mJ Per Spark=20
      Weight and Size:  3 lbs, 8"Lx3.5"Wx2.25"H=20
      Voltage Output Max:  Primary: 460-480 Volts
       Secondary: 45,000 Volts (Blaster Coil)=20


Hmmm ..
u guys make the choice ..

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Shawn Falzarano=20
  To: Scirocco List=20
  Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:09 PM
  Subject: Ignition system


  I will be eventually turboing my car and was looking at some different =
ignition systems, namely the MSD 6AL and the Jacobs ICQ Pak =
(http://www.jacobselectronics.com/products/energypaks/icepak.htm) . Just =
wondering what every thinks of the Jacobs one, I have heard lots of the =
MSD 6AL. Just that the Jacobs seems to be a little more advance, any =
experiences with either ignition systems? Also would this eliminate the =
need for a knock sensor?

  =20

  MKII 1985 VW Scirocco 260000+ KM's GREY

  Currently Rebuiding the engine. 1.8L 8V

  =20

  Shawn Falzarano

  Winnipeg, Manitoba

  =20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go take a look at a crane setup =
...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>they seem to be pretty good =
..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and seems like they deliver a pretty =
strong Spark=20
too 1200 milijoules compared to the MSD which only has 120 milijoules=20
..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>go take a look at their HI6 line-up i =
have on order=20
the HI6 DSR</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>( <A=20
href=3D"http://www.cranecams.com/ignition/hi6dsr.htm";>http://www.cranecam=
s.com/ignition/hi6dsr.htm</A>&nbsp;)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CRANE HI6 DSR</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<TABLE height=3D366 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D2 width=3D602 =
border=3D0>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D30>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Operating=20
    voltage</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D30>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>6 to 18 volts, =
reverse polarity=20
      protected, negative ground only</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Current =
draw</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>&nbsp; 7.0 amps max =
at 10,000=20
      RPM</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>RPM operating=20
    range</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>12,000+ RPM (with =
rev limiter=20
      disabled).</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>RPM limiter=20
    range</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>600 to 9,900 RPM in =
100 RPM=20
      increments</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>RPM limiter=20
      accuracy</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>=B130 =
RPM</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Timing =
accuracy</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>=B10.5 degrees from =
500 to 9,900=20
      RPM</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Multiple Spark=20
      Duration</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>&nbsp; 20=B0 =
crankshaft rotation=20
      below&nbsp; 3,000 RPM. Maximum 12 sparks per sequence with 1 =
millisecond=20
      interval between sparks.</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Primary voltage=20
      output</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>450 =
volts</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Primary energy=20
      output</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>1200=20
      millijoules/sequence</B></FONT></P></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD width=3D167 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>Peak spark gap=20
      current</B></FONT></P></TD>
    <TD width=3D423 height=3D31>
      <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><B>380 milliamps with =
LX91 coil, 510=20
      milliamps with LX92 =
coil</B></FONT></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MSD 6AL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<TABLE height=3D196 cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 width=3D391 =
border=3D1>
  <TBODY>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D23><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000=20
      size=3D-2>Operating Voltage:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D23>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>+10-18=20
      VDC Negative Ground</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D13><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>Current=20
      Requirements:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D13>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>5=20
      Amps-5,000 RPM<BR></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>10=20
      Amps-10,000 RPM</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D23><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>RPM=20
      Range:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D23>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>15,000=20
      RPM with 14.4 Volts</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D23><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>Spark=20
      Duration:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D23>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>20=B0=20
      Crankshaft Rotation</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D23><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>Energy=20
      Output Max:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D23>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>105-115=20
      mJ Per Spark</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D23><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>Weight=20
      and Size:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D23>&nbsp;<FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>3 lbs,=20
      8"Lx3.5"Wx2.25"H</FONT></TD></TR>
  <TR>
    <TD align=3Dright width=3D142 bgColor=3D#cccccc height=3D42><B><FONT =

      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>Voltage=20
      Output Max:</FONT></B></TD>
    <TD width=3D246 height=3D42>&nbsp;<B><FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#999999=20
      size=3D-2>Primary:</FONT></B><FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2>=20
      460-480 Volts<BR></FONT>&nbsp;<B><FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#999999=20
      size=3D-2>Secondary:</FONT></B><FONT=20
      face=3D"Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color=3D#000000 =
size=3D-2> 45,000=20
      Volts (Blaster Coil)</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmmm ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>u guys make the choice ..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dshawnfalzarano@wpggamer.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:shawnfalzarano@wpggamer.org";>Shawn Falzarano</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco List</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 25, 2002 =
3:09=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Ignition system</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I will be eventually =
turboing my=20
  car and was looking at some different ignition systems, namely the MSD =
6AL and=20
  the Jacobs ICQ Pak (<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.jacobselectronics.com/products/energypaks/icepak.htm";>=
http://www.jacobselectronics.com/products/energypaks/icepak.htm</A>)=20
  . Just wondering what every thinks of the Jacobs one, I have heard =
lots of the=20
  MSD 6AL. Just that the Jacobs seems to be a little more advance, any=20
  experiences with either ignition systems? Also would this eliminate =
the need=20
  for a knock sensor?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: yes">MKII 1985 VW Scirocco =
260000+ KM's=20
  GREY<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Currently Rebuiding the =
engine.=20
  1.8L 8V<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: =
yes"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Shawn=20
  Falzarano<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><st1:place><st1:City><FONT face=3D"Times New =
Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: =
yes">Winnipeg</SPAN></FONT></st1:City><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-no-proof: yes">, </SPAN><st1:State><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-no-proof: =
yes">Manitoba</SPAN></st1:State></st1:place><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-no-proof: yes"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML=
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