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kinda OT: do you lose gas shutting the car off for less than 2 mins?
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Sorry Allyn, I disagree here. Cold or hot, the fuel system will ad =
extra fuel to start the car (in some way shape or form) so unless you =
are sitting at a light for a few minutes (or a train, live in LA with =
bumper to bumper, etc.) then it is not necessary or economical to turn =
off your car. Granted, this amount of fuel will probably not show much =
in your end MPG sum but there is a reason why freeway mileage and city =
mileage is different!! If you add to this shutting your car down at =
every stop light then I think you'll see your fuel consumption increase =
in the city not to mention unneccessary wear on (what Allyn said) =
starter, battery, ignition switch, connections, ignition components, =
etc. The only reason I could see where shutting down and a stoplight =
would help is if your idle is at 3 grand or something. =20
Just idle and be happy!!
Just my opinion!!
Dave
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Allyn=20
To: Robbie Cotner ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: kinda OT: do you lose gas shutting the car off for less =
than 2 mins?
any time you are sitting still you are getting 0 mileage, so it is in =
fact better to do so with the engine off. that doesnt mean start cutting =
'er off at every red light, because your starter/battery wouldnt last =
more than a few months of that abuse, not to mention that there may not =
be enough time between red lights for your alternator to properly bring =
the battery back to its full state of change... then you'll be the one =
everyone is honking at, heh.
Al
Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original =
clutch, driveshafts, wheels :)
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Robbie Cotner=20
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 12:45 AM
Subject: kinda OT: do you lose gas shutting the car off for less =
than 2 mins?
Hey, I have been thinking about this in the back of my mind for =
years, but I figured I'd ask you guys. I've been told several times by =
people that it does NOT save gas to shut off your engine while sitting =
still (idling at stop light, etc) unless you will be sitting there for =
more than 2 mins. That could make sense to me on some cars with hard =
starting engines, but I've always thought that didn't make sense and =
that you WOULD save gas, even just shutting it off for a few seconds. =
Doesn't the starter do the work to restart? I don't think the computer =
tells the injectors to dump more fuel in during start up. I also know =
that the Honda Electric hybrid car(can't rememer name now) automatically =
shuts off WHENEVER you come to 0 mph, and then restarts when you hit the =
gas. So I assume you save gas in at least that instance. I guess it =
could get complicated like if the electricity your starter drains is =
made up by the alternator charging more which would drag the engine=20
Rob
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Sorry Allyn, I disagree here. Cold or hot, =
the fuel=20
system will ad extra fuel to start the car (in some way shape or form) =
so unless=20
you are sitting at a light for a few minutes (or a train, live in LA =
with bumper=20
to bumper, etc.) then it is not necessary or economical to turn off your =
car. Granted, this amount of fuel will probably not show much in =
your end=20
MPG sum but there is a reason why freeway mileage and city mileage =
is=20
different!! If you add to this shutting your car down at every =
stop light=20
then I think you'll see your fuel consumption increase in the city not =
to=20
mention unneccessary wear on (what Allyn said) starter, battery, =
ignition=20
switch, connections, ignition components, etc. The only reason =
I could=20
see where shutting down and a stoplight would help is if your idle =
is at 3=20
grand or something. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just idle and be happy!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Just my opinion!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Damalventano1@comcast.net=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drobw_z@yahoo.com =
href=3D"mailto:robw_z@yahoo.com";>Robbie Cotner</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 29, 2002 =
10:13=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: kinda OT: do you =
lose gas=20
shutting the car off for less than 2 mins?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>any time you are sitting still you =
are getting 0=20
mileage, so it is in fact better to do so with the engine off. that =
doesnt=20
mean start cutting 'er off at every red light, because </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>your starter/battery wouldnt last more than a few months of =
that abuse,=20
not to mention that there may not be enough time between red lights =
for your=20
alternator to properly bring the battery back to its full state of =
change...=20
then you'll be the one everyone is honking at, heh.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Al</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN<BR>87 =
Rieger GTO=20
Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)<BR>86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo =
Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)<BR>87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr =
(daily=20
driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, driveshafts, wheels=20
:)<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<A title=3Drobw_z@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:robw_z@yahoo.com";>Robbie =
Cotner</A>=20
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title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 30, 2002 =
12:45=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> kinda OT: do you =
lose gas=20
shutting the car off for less than 2 mins?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Hey, I have been thinking about this in the back of my mind for =
years,=20
but I figured I'd ask you guys. I've been told several times =
by people=20
that it does NOT save gas to shut off your engine while sitting =
still=20
(idling at stop light, etc) unless you will be sitting there for =
more than 2=20
mins. That could make sense to me on some cars with hard =
starting=20
engines, but I've always thought that didn't make sense and that you =
WOULD=20
save gas, even just shutting it off for a few seconds. Doesn't =
the=20
starter do the work to restart? I don't think the computer =
tells the=20
injectors to dump more fuel in during start up. I also know =
that the=20
Honda Electric hybrid car(can't rememer name now) automatically =
shuts off=20
WHENEVER you come to 0 mph, and then restarts when you hit the =
gas. So=20
I assume you save gas in at least that instance. I guess it =
could get=20
complicated like if the electricity your starter drains is made up =
by the=20
alternator charging more which would drag the engine=20
<P>Rob</P>
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