allyn's twin

[amalventano1@comcast.net (Allyn)]

Mike,

I am in fact going with dsm turbos (starting with ported 16g's for now (already got em), will go
higher if need be). dsm turbos are very good as far as going up scale with the existing bolt-up
technique. you can get a very large turbo in there using the same flanges. This is especially good
since i'm making the flanges myself and dont plan on making them more than once (x2 over).

Electronics: the ENTIRE system will be built by yours truly. The only stuff im not making are the
actuators/sensors/injectors. Basically anything electronic in the system will be made ala-big al.

Also keep in mind that im still developing the engine mgmt, it is yet to be. That will probably be
the last thing to go on the twin.

Al

Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, driveshafts, wheels :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: allyn's twin


> allyn, i'm sure you've been through this before, but what did you use for
> the turbo/electronics? and, something else that's surely been discussed, how
> hard would it be to use a turbo from another make, saab, volvo, audi, DSM,
> toyota, etc?
> -m
>
> >From: Allyn <amalventano1@comcast.net>
>
> >Rieger:
> >
> >Congratulations - this auction successfully ended
> >Item Title : Volkswagen : 16v Scirocco (Item# 580545590)
> >Final Price : $4,851.00
> >Auction Ended At : Apr-23-01 12:49:54 PDT
> >Total number of bids : 33
> >
> >Almost everything else came from ready spares (sciroccos #4 and 5), Big
> >Macs old ride (rip), and a
> >~$600 order from the potterpeople a while back. The only other things as of
> >late are the original
> >17's for the rieger ($700) and the hella u.s. h3/h4 lights ($40).
> >
> >Twin:
> >
> >     I am keeping a good tally on the twin so far, unfortunately it will
> >take a year to complete.
> >So far i've spent $1950 total (that includes parts to pick up at cincy and
> >tools bought so far),
> >that got me the car, another donor, both engines, both turbos, and a
> >trailer to boot. I still have
> >to get about half of the necessary tools (probably ~1k), and i will
> >probably expend another ~$1700
> >in raw materials (including engine rebuild/frame rebuild pieces parts). The
> >only way i can pull off
> >with the relative cheapness of the whole thing is that i'm buying many
> >tools that the average joe
> >doesnt have (air compressor, many air tools, welder, pipe bender, press,
> >paint sprayer, etc), and i
> >will be doing nearly 100% of all labor in-house.
> >     As it stands right now im looking to be right at the $5k mark on
> >expendatures. If i decide to go
> >with quaifes thats gonna take me over the $5k mark, but i hope to make alot
> >of that back on selling
> >all the extra stuff off when both projects are complete.
> >
> >Side effects of the project:
> >
> >- rieger gets a 2.0 (it was in the $100 donor car for the twin)
> >- much practice with physics models (calculating frame stress for twin)
> >- i learn how to build said frame, weld, etc
> >- i get mucho experience at port/polish/debur/other engine stuff
> >- several tranny rebuilds (even more experience)
> >- get to flex my electronic knowledge/muscle on a very big project, as the
> >twin will be almost
> >completely fly by wire and have very little factory electronics left ("i
> >love it when a plan comes
> >together").
> >
> >******brace yourself******
> >
> >- enough cumulative knowledge/experience such that when the twin is done,
> >dropping a mid mounted
> >twin turbo w12 in the rieger will be a drop in the bucket.
> >
> >*brief pause for dust to settle*
> >
> >Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN (insane in the membrane)
> >87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> >86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> >87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
> >driveshafts, wheels :)
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Mike Blain" <rept@qwest.net>
> >To: <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:17 AM
> >Subject: Financial tally on our cars!
> >
> >
> > > I just did a solid tally on the expenditures of tuning my car in the
> > > three years Ive had it.  It includes everything spent from initial
> > > purchase excluding state lisencing fees and standard petroleum product
> > > consumption.   Basically, I could have just gone out and bought a new
> > > jetta with some extras on it- maybe even the wolfsburg if I haggled
> > > right.  I expected to be in the teens but not the high teens.  This
> > > brings me to wonder how many others are acutely aware of how deep they
> > > are into their rocc projects (singular, per car tally)?
> > >
> > > At this point im asking myself what the hell im doing and why? I mean I
> > > love cars- but im dumping money into a vehicle that can be had for the
> > > cost of a nice vacuum cleaner. And, im thinking I should have maybe
> > > jumped into a project that would actually pay for itself like a 70-71
> > > cuda 340 or 440 sixpack.
> > >
> > > So the question stands: How much and why- to my fellow listers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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