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ebay scam

Just when you think EVERYONE should know about the cam details...I
e-mailed both bidders and both appreciated a fellow VW owner looking out
for them.  Then, they promptly retracted their bids.

Eric
"Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun!"
http://www.geocities.com/blitzkrieg16v
AOL IM:  OneSixV
http://www.geocities.com/onesixv

On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 12:39:26 -0400 "jp43044" <jp43044@netzero.net>
writes:
> You make a very good point.  However I think what the complaint here 
> is,
> that the seller is making the "Euro" cam to be special.  Most of the 
> people
> that have any knowledege of 16V's know that the exhaust cam is the 
> same for
> U.S. and Europe.  In other words the way he has it stated and there 
> is no
> grey area is if you use the "Euro" exhaust cam you'll have 139 h.p.. 
>  And we
> all know that is not true.  That is what makes it Dishonest.
> 
> Just my .02.
> 
> Erik
> 88 16V
> 88 Golf (Urban Insult Vehichle)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Haygood <theonlyred16v@hotmail.com>
> To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:13 PM
> Subject: RE: ebay scam
> 
> 
> > So you are saying that the seller (or anyone else presumably) has 
> no
> > obligation whatsoever to clarify what their product does/is?  That 
> may
> hold
> > up just fine in court if you word it correctly, but I won't count 
> among my
> > friends anyone who would be that dishonest -- sorry, not 
> dishonest, just
> not
> > honest (If you diferentiate between the two, let me know so I can 
> avoid
> > trusting you).
> >
> > "marketing" does not make misleading people OK.  I know that our 
> screwed
> up
> > world tries to make it that way, and that it happens all the time, 
> but
> that
> > doesn't make it right.  What I don't get is why Steffan would be 
> this
> > misleading just for a few lousy bucks on a cam.  More than a few 
> listers
> > have commented that this is dishonest, and he has basically 
> gauranteed he
> > won't ever sell anything to them.  Regardless of how others react 
> to it,
> > isn't there some moral backbone in the man that should make him 
> prefer to
> be
> > honest?  Maybe ignoring the existence of God has something to do 
> with it
> > all, but that's outside the scope of this, I guess.
> >
> > The ad does imply lightly that your engine will have increased 
> performance
> > when you install this cam.  Maybe he keeps it light enough that he
> couldn't
> > be sued or something, but again, that doesn't make it right.
> >
> > As for Hitman's response that, "i'm just saying that if you read 
> the text
> of
> > his auction, and knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions 
> are not
> > to rip anyone off.", what other intention could there be for 
> citing higher
> > horsepower than our cars make and throwing the term "Euro" around? 
>  What
> is
> > it that you know about Steffan that the rest of us can't see?  I'm 
> not
> > saying he's not a perfectly nice, reasonable guy, just that he is 
> doing
> one
> > particular dishonest thing.  I'm not being sarcastic, here, I just 
> don't
> see
> > how you could put that ad's text together with any other motive 
> than
> hoping
> > someone bids more because they think it is what it isn't.
> >
> > The ad description should be "16v ehaust cam to fit scirocco, GTI, 
> etc..."
> > Citing hp and "euro" can't have any other purpose but to mislead.
> >
> > Brian Haygood
> >
> >
> > >From: "BcH" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
> > >Reply-To: <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
> > >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > >Subject: RE: ebay scam
> > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:16:10 -0700
> > >
> > >The marketing on e-bay of the exhaust cams, no matter how it is 
> worded is
> > >simply marketing!  No different than selling of A1 VW fuel pumps 
> as
> racing
> > >pumps on e-bay to the Honda crowd.
> > >
> > >It's a buyer beware market in my mind.  If the vortex type fools 
> are
> stupid
> > >enough to pay $40 shipping plus whatever the cam sells for, then 
> so be
> it.
> > >
> > >.02
> > >
> > >BcH
> > >78 MkI Ragtop ABA 16vT boxes of parts
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Allyn
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > > To: the hitman; onesixv@juno.com
> > > > Cc: farrenator@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > especially since the euro exh cam is the same profile as the
> > > > u.s. one...
> > > > Al
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "the hitman" <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > To: <onesixv@juno.com>
> > > > Cc: <farrenator@yahoo.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > don't get me wrong, i would never recommend or buy  or sell
> > > > a "euro" exhaust
> > > > > cam. i'm just saying that if you read the text of his 
> auction, and
> > > > > knowing/dealt with steffan before, his intentions are not
> > > > to rip anyone off.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Eric L Ellis <onesixv@juno.com>
> > > > > >To: vwscir88@hotmail.com
> > > > > >CC: farrenator@yahoo.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > >Subject: Re: ebay scam
> > > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:30:17 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Yes, he posts quite often...to sell.  I personally don't
> > > > care for the
> > > > > >selling of the "Euro Exhaust Cam".  Granted, he implies no
> > > > gains but the
> > > > > >those who don't know, it can appear that it's an upgrade.  
> Not to
> > > > > >mention, $40.00 shipping?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >EE
> > > > > >"Good, bad...I'm the guy with the gun!"
> > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/blitzkrieg16v
> > > > > >AOL IM:  OneSixV
> > > > > >http://www.geocities.com/onesixv
> > > > > >
> > > > > >On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:01:04 -0400 "the hitman"
> > > > <vwscir88@hotmail.com>
> > > > > >writes:
> > > > > > > that's steffan. i think you must be thinking about
> > > > someone else, i've
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > nothing but good dealings with steffan. i believe he
> > > > does post to
> > > > > > > the list
> > > > > > > occasionally too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Victor Farren <farrenator@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > > > > >Subject: ebay scam
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >anyone know who this clown is?  He is trying to sell a
> > > > > > > >16v Euro 'exhaust' cam.  Talk about some bull$hit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item
> > > > =1842783455
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >This isn't the same clown who was ripping people off
> > > > > > > >about 6 months back is it?  Sorry, but I can't
> > > > > > > >remember his name, but he changed his email a couple
> > > > > > > >of times because someone on the list was tracking him
> > > > > > > >and giving him $hit for being a scam artist.  Some of
> > > > > > > >the listers who have been around a while might
> > > > > > > >remember.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Victor
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So SayethThe Hitman
> > > > > > > http://www.techography.net/brettsgarage
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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