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[brett@netacc.net (Brett Van Sprewenburg)]

>    Umm, i think we were a tad hard on this guy, combined with him 
>taking it the wrong way. Heck,
>even i jumped on the bandwagon initially, but i'm begining to have a 
>change of heart. Dirk, Brett,
>fellow rocco listers, why dont we want our scirocco pics spread 
>around? I would think its okay as
>long as the pic source is mentioned on the site (i.e. courtesy 
>'Scirocco.org', 'courtesy Dirk
>Schneider', etc.). After all, we're trying to keep a dying breed of 
>cars alive here :).
>
>Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN


Yes, that was most of the issue here, like I said...I don't think 
anybody minds at all
if a few pictures are taken to enhance a site, but to grab _every_ 
picture off a site,
and repost them without _any_ attribution, or under the context with 
which they were
posted, with _no_ permission (or even asking) is alright.  I won't 
change my stance on
that. I certainly don't own the pictures on scirocco.org, but in 
almost every case, I've
been sent the pictures from an owner with express permission to post 
them, or I've
taken the pictures myself.  See the difference?  Not only have I 
spent a great deal of
time in making them 'appealing' (color, sharpness, resolution, 
density, crop, etc..). To
have someone else "profit" (note quotes meaning not literal) 
wholesale (meaning every
picture) at my expense has got my hackles up.   See where I'm coming 
from?  I am
certainly all for Scirocco community net-wide, I've got so much 
personal time, and money
wrapped up in it there's no doubt. :-)   By all means, add to the 
scirocco history and
net wide resources, I'm totally for any of that...but I don't support 
(inferior IMO) derivative
works off much of my own back and other peoples (car owners) 
submissions.  Sorry.

As an aside, I've already had owners of some of the cars contact me 
with issues of
_other_ people taking the images that they've submitted to me 
(scirocco.org) and
having them ripped and used commercially elsewhere. (if you can 
follow that. :) )  I've
had to contact those commercial entities on their behalf to ask them 
to stop...not quite
the same here, but people are sensitive to this...

As yet a further aside, I work as a software professional in the web 
architecture space
in the professional photographic division of a large yellow 
photographic giant in
Rochester NY. (if that was vague enough :-) ) I might have some extra 
baggage on this
issue. :-)

==Brett

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