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why do people think Nitrous burns? - education 101
Uh oh, here comes the ammo:
http://www.wstf.nasa.gov/Oxygen/ConstructionMaterials.htm
70/30 nitrogen/oxygen mix burned in presence of non-flammable materials (not to mention incenerated
them). Must read between lines ("This incident clearly shows that materials that are not flammable
in air are flammable in oxygen-enriched atmospheres."). This means it wasnt the oxygen/nitrogen mix
that was burning, it was merely helping in combustion of a material that is not normally flammable.
http://www.osha-slc.gov/OshStd_data/1915_0012.html
osha regs for civilian workers, quote:
If the space to be entered contains an oxygen deficient atmosphere, the space shall be labeled
"Not Safe for Workers" or, if oxygen-enriched, "Not Safe for Workers - Not Safe for Hot Work."
(since the stuff you are doing hot work on that isnt normally flammable can become flammable in
oxygen enriched environments).
free explosives training online: http://www.me.mtu.edu/~jwsuther/ihs/Lect03.ppt
>From the nitrous oxide msds itself: http://www.mathesongas.com/msds/NitrousOxide.htm
SECTION 14 TRANSPORT INFORMATION
PROPER SHIPPING NAME: Nitrous oxide
LABELING REQUIREMENTS: Nonflammable gas; Oxidizer
You see, nitrous oxide itself is not flammable, right from the msds itself! It is however a really
REALLY good oxidizer. Adding this to a flame in progress (i.e. combustion) will make it much more
violent (see the powerpoint lecture page 16 for some principles on how oxidizers come into play).
Page 16 states 'oxygen may not be the oxidizer', they are referring to pure oxygen, not nitrous
oxide.
Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
To: <amalventano1@home.com>; <rocco16v@netzero.com>; <pbureau@attbi.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>;
<mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: why do people think Nitrous burns?
> Then ask the guys in Apollo 1 . They ran 100% oxygen. The heat was so
> intense that it melted the handles on the doors. They died in under a minute
> and a half.
> After that they started to run Nitrogen with the Oxy...
>
> Hows that for 0.02?
>
>
> >From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>
> >To: "Larry" <rocco16v@netzero.com>, "ATS - Patrick Bureau"
> ><pbureau@attbi.com>, "_Scirocco Mailing List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>,
> >"Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>
> >Subject: Re: why do people think Nitrous burns?
> >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:27:50 -0500
> >
> > > Oxygen is not flammable. Oxygen will not burn.
> >
> > What you say is true, but everyone should keep in mind that oxygen
> >will make a burning flame
> >much more volatile. In the presence of enough oxygen, even oil baking on a
> >hot exhaust manifold
> >might ignite into some serious flamage.
> > If you already got fire, more oxygen = big time bad juju.
> > We do the exact opposite on subs: My sub ran at ~17-18% oxygen when
> >underway to act as a flame
> >retardant. Poor saps couldnt even get a zippo to stay lit for more than a
> >few seconds.
> >Al
> >
> >Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> >87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> >86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX (shell donor ready to rock, still
> >planning, rocco #7)
> >87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
> >driveshafts, wheels :)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Larry" <rocco16v@netzero.com>
> >To: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <pbureau@attbi.com>; "_Scirocco Mailing List"
> ><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>;
> >"Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>
> >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:39 PM
> >Subject: Re: why do people think Nitrous burns?
> >
> >
> > > For the exact same reason so many people think oxygen is flammable.
> > > Hospitals are the worst offenders.
> > > Oxygen is not flammable. Oxygen will not burn. Oxygen will not
> >explode
> > > (except in the sense that Patrick mentions).
> > >
> > > Larry sandiego16V
> > >
> > > > NOS IS NOT FLAMMABLE
> > > >
> > > > Why do people always think NOS - Burns...
> > > > The bottle explodes (bottle breaks by heat expansionof the Gas inside
> >the
> > > > bottle but there is no fireball! there is Nothing flammable in NOS.
> > > >
> > > > ATs - Patrick Bureau
> > > >
> > > > =>-----Original Message-----
> > > > =>From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
> > > > =>[mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Marc Peterson
> > > > =>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 2:35 PM
> > > > =>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > =>Subject: Newest member of the "what's the point?" rice mod club
> > > > =>
> > > > =>
> > > > =>From TWICE, the Consumer Electronics trade mag...
> > > > =>
> > > > =>And I quote...
> > > > =>
> > > > => "One of the most unusual subwoofers at CES came, not
> > > > =>suprisingly, from Bazooka, with its "Bass In A Bottle" 200
> >watt,
> > > > =>8-inch subwoofer disguised as a nitrous oxide bottle.
> > > > =>The speaker,
> > > > =>aimed at the "tuner" market, was inspired by the fact that many
> > > sport
> > > > =>compact enthusiants plave the bottles in their cars for show
> >without
> > > > =>even hooking them up, said a spokesman."
> > > > =>
> > > > =>Shown in the article is a blue cylinder the exact size as a gas
> >bottle,
> > > > =>painted blue, with a fake shutoff valve and even a sticker that
> > > > =>mimicks the
> > > > =>label on a tank, right down to the triangle shaped MSDS (Material
> >Data
> > > > =>Safety Sheet) labels. You know, the ones that say hey, this here
> > > > =>this is a
> > > > =>highly flammable product.
> > > > =>
> > > > =>I for one would not want to be a fireman running up to an accident
> >and
> > > > =>seeing what appears to be a bottle of juice in the back of the
> > > > =>hatch...only
> > > > =>to find out that its a damn speaker! Talk about unneccessary
> >panic...
> > > > =>
> > > > =>Marc
> > > > =>
> > > > =>
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