HELP(Honda) final thoughts

[SCIROCCO_SPEED@msn.com (Brandon Smith)]

Do you consider a Dad and his 14 year old son working on a 72' Charger or
66' Mustang a Lemming because they have a few MOPAR or Edlebrock catalogs
laying around Lemmings.

Ohhh MY GOD, wait a minute.  Maybe all the Scirocco owners out there who are
NOT on this list are the only real NON-lemmings!

Sorry Man, I see your point completely and it just rubbed me the wrong way
that's all (maybe hit a little to close to home with the 2.0 bottom end
stuff ;-) ).  It's all good though.

-Brando

"Hello, my name is Brandon, and I'm a VW Lemming."


----- Original Message -----
From: <Dubdaze68@aol.com>
To: <vwnuts@yahoo.com>; <scirocco81@vwmail.net>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: HELP(Honda) final thoughts


> You know what...
>
> I've been involved in VWs for 7 years now, and had dreams of owning one
for a
> lot longer than that.  This is what I expect of a bunch of mostly now
older
> guys that can't remember the stupid shit that they did as teenagers.  Yes,
> the import market has exploded since about '96.  Yes, the aftermarket is
> geared towards people that can't get past the first aisle in Pep Boys that
> sells that stuff, when all you want to do is get to the bulb aisle,
looking
> for the gauge cluster light that comes on intermittently when you smack
the
> dash.  The manufacturers go where the money is, (hello, Neuspeed) and
older
> VW's aren't it.  Hell, most of the people that own 1st Gen CRX's can't get
a
> ton of stuff, so it's not a rice issue.  Pick up an old issue of VW&
> Porsche(precursor to European Car, or a REALLY old issue of Sport Compact
> Car, and you will see Scirocco's and Corrado's.  Plus, check out all the
ads.
>  They are filled to the brim with stuff for the A1 chassied cars.  Do you
> guys realize that the LAST year of Scirocco(US) is eligible for Classic
car
> plates here in PA?(Ask Jason Cammissa)  I mean, the purist people that
don't
> want to be "lemmings" as they put it dont realize that they are lemmings
in
> their own group.  Euro Bumpers, Euro lights, susp, TT , Jetex, or Autotech
> Exhausts, 2.0 Bottom end, and a K&N drop in (or the Jamex airbox if you're
> lucky.).  How many people here fall in that category? Or have at least 2
of
> those mods?  Quite lemming like of you ask me.  We all sound like snobs.
Or
> old farts.  We're quickly becoming the Old guys at the car cruises with
satin
> jackets on listening to doo-wop, or, if you want something more familiar,
the
> guys in the air cooleds who REALLLY dislike any watercooleds that aren't a
NB
> or their Daily Driver.  They don't get us, and we're losing touch with the
> upcoming generation of dub-heads.  Have you noticed the crowd at
Waterfest?
> Getting younger and more rice like.  It's just the times, and they are a
> changin. THESE KIDS NEED OUR GUIDANCE.  I didn't go this year because of
the
> riot police at the hotel last year, and I really missed all you guys.  I
> heard about the hotel shit this year, and the judging, and was REALLY glad
i
> didn't go.  Some of these cars at the shows are tasteless as hell, but
even
> some of the tacky ones have stuff that you have to admire as ingenuity,
and
> some details that would cross over into our world.  We're all car guys
here.
> Ive wanted a Scirocco 16v since the first time I saw one way back in '87.
It
> was only after the vast improvements to the Jap brands that I even
considered
> the Civic SI.  The SI is built in Great Britain, and is specifically for
that
> market.  it has features that you would hope VW would put in its cars for
a
> reasonable price, But they no longer care for sporty ENTRY LEVEL cars.
> Remember the ads with a Rabbit GTI sitting next to a Mustang at a traffic
> light? and how it would spank anything in it's price range?  What do they
> have like that now, affordable, and competitive right off the showroom
> floor...NOTHING.  The 337?  If you can find one that hasn't been marked up
> more than it's already premium price.  GTI VR6 or Jetta GLI?  holy
expensive,
> considering you can get more horsies and all wheel drive from Subaru and
soon
> Mitsubishi. GTI 1.8t?  yeah, you're just a chip, turbo, springs and tires
> away from a fun car..AND ITS TOO damn big.  Plus, I''ve been following the
> development of Grassroots Motorsports CIVIC SI project, which is why I was
> interested in the first place.  I also considered waiting for a NB 1.8t
> convertible...But 24,000 to start?  Give Me a Break.  I am just getting to
> the point, considering here in the Big City you can't get garage space all
> the time, where I dont have the time, money or patience for a Classic
> Collectible Car....And that's where these things are heading I'm afraid.
> We're becoming antiques if we stay in our little bubbles that we've
created
> around us.  I wanted a MINI Cooper S, too.  24,000 the way I wanted it,
and
> no deals were to be had.  Hell, I just want a car to Autocross that won't
> lose a piece after every run, or have a car where I don't have to guess
how
> fast Im going because the speedo box went bad....I've put up with this for
> years, i'ts only now after dumping 5,000+ into routine maintenance items
that
> i'm getting sick of it...ask anybody who knows me how sick I am to sell my
> Cabby.  Or how I searched for my first car for eons looking for a Rabbit
GTI
> that wasnt' beaten hard or trashed with a huge price on them because they
> were "collecters items" How many shows i've been to and how many friends
i've
> made.  I wouldn't trade those things for anything in the world, and even
if I
> would buy a Honda, I'd still be a Die hard VW fan....I'm always the guy at
> every vortex meeting with the oldest damn car, and I'm just kinda sick of
it.
>  Yeah, parts are a plenty because of the interchangeability of the
platforms,
>  But every  5 minutes?  How many people here know the parts counter guy at
> the dealership on a first name basis?  How many people have willed away
their
> first born son to the Potterman?  I'ts come to the point I'm afraid to
drive
> the car as hard as I want because I'm afraid something will break. Trust
me,
> I raced a guy in a riced Integra 4 months ago, and when I spanked him and
> then told him my car was mechanically stock, his jaw hit the floor.  I
LOVED
> that.  Maybe later, when I can actually afford to have a car just sit
there,
> I'll get the creampuff 'Rocco driven by a little old lady....but until
then,
> I'm just looking for the right NEW car at the right price.
> Sorry for the rant, but geez, I haven't seen such snobbery in forever, and
I
> was REALLY pissed bout it...
>
> Patrick Boyle
> '87 Scirocco 16v
> '87 Cabriolet
> '84 Rabbit GTI
>
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