web site ideas? support? Mirror?

[jtoomasson@yahoo.com (Jeff Toomasson)]

(Collective Sigh....)

Gentlemen - I can see many others' points about unifying (or trying to
anyway) a location where anyone can find anything tech-related. I, for one,
have also hunted high and low looking for valuable bits of tech (you should
see my "favorites" folder on IE - I have a "scirocco stuff" folder that goes
on for days)

I can somewhat sympathize with Patrick though - though not
sharing/mirroring/whatever-webspeak-I-don't-know ;) may seem kinda contrary
to what we're about, he's invested a lot of time and effort in his site and
it's a great resource. He should be proud of it and get the credit he
deservers. (boy, this is a sticky one I don't like touching (eww, that
sounded gross...). As should you, Brett (not the touching part.... :p   )

(and now the proposed solution)
can't the .org site list Patrick's home page and a list of his tech notes?
Patrick usually announces when he posts a new note anyway. You could update
the .org according to those posts...Or even more simply (though less
effective) "if you don't find it here, check [insert link here]"...wait,
that sucks...

Maybe there should be more policing (?) of the links in the .org (sorry
Brett - hell, I'll volunteer) if there's concern over dead links...

I don't know what other fair way there is.....

Whatever comes out of this, I just want to give kudos/props to you both -
never be reluctant to ask the list for assistance. I sure I speak for a lot
of us when I say that we you both quite a bit!

Have a good weekend everyone!

Jeff
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'86.5 Scirocco 16v 2.0 (roc #5)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <pbureau@attbi.com>
To: "Brett Van Sprewenburg" <brett@netacc.net>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: web site ideas? support? Mirror?


> I understand, I really do, what you are attempting to do is "get help for
> the .org site", and rest assured I am honored by the request of me,
working
> it, but the fact is , I have enough work with my web site and TST web site
> plus another one I host for wife and lastly one private horse farm on my
> server.
>
> I really don't have the extra time to manage yet another "section" of web
> site, I would love to help but I cannot take honestly this job.
>
> My Tech notes never change Directory structure.. I would be shooting
myself
> in the foot if I did, I change looks and other sections , but the tech
> section has been structure the same way for 2 years now. Yeah I realize
the
> index page might be disorganized, I just have not had enough free time to
> make a cute interface with a pull down menu...
>
> The idea behind my tech notes is to close the technical gap I have seen
for
> years in groups such has scirocco.org, the missing link of a geek with a
> mechanics book, trying to figure out what the hell the book is saying.
Yeah
> changing pads and rotors is "mundane" but the week I put that tech note up
I
> got 12 email thanking me for it.. (grin) Yeah I do it for the attention,
no
> seriously I do it because of my brother (long story).
>
> But I am always improving my details or pictures and information, soon I
> will have a 2L 3a/JH Hybrid tech note from the start to the end... 300+
> pictures expected with numerous subsets for the various components that
need
> to look at while doing such a conversion (from removing engine, through
> rebuilding block to reinstalling it all together.  Creating tech notes is
> very time consuming, just taking pictures and notes of pictures while
trying
> to repair/fix/mod my own cars, not to mention creating the web context for
> it afterwards, and unfortunately time is not something I have much off. (I
> still have technote pending from 2 months ago..)
>
> There will be a mirror site of my tech notes, translated in German, the
> Munich Scirocco Group, requested a complete download of all tech notes
last
> month, and they will be translating them into German and posting (with
link
> to my web site in "links section") it on their Club Web page by end of
year.
> (that is a lot of work), and the arrangement I had with them is, its your
> web site, you deal with it, I provide data, I don't manage it.
>
> I'll admit I' m kind of a Frenchman jerk off, everyone and their dog know
> about my web site, I constantly publish a relevant tech note when a
question
> in email is requested, and  my site has been up for years now.
>
> I really don't want to manage "mirrors" (I gave in to the Germans because
it
> was flattering to see all my tech notes being used in Germany for helping
> support another group with the data (not to mention that the web master
and
> club member was persistent about this for 3 months before I gave in), and
> managing does includes "transferring updates", and since I don't like
> external users on my box on ftp, I am not keen on "pulling data".  so...
>
> The solution of a simple " changing front pads and rotors " (for example)
> selector bar, calling the tech note from my web site to your page (I can
> even change my schemes to make it transparent to users) is the simple
> solution here, low maintenance for you, all I need for me is when I put a
> new technote p, is to email you with the link, and if my web site is down
> when the page is requested, it will simply display a 404 Error message. If
> you want the data, I can send it to you, be forewarned the tech note
section
> is over 50 MB large at this point.
>
> Beside if all my tech notes are on scirocco.org then why would I run a web
> server for? why don't I take over scirocco.org? (grin) [commentator - I
> can't believe he opened that can of worms!!! OMG!]
>
> lets keep talking about this here, perhaps talking about possibilities
here
> might convince others that might have the time to help to do so.
>
> I would love to, but I just can't manage it, sorry.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>     __  __________
>    /  |/_ __/ ___/ Patrick Bureau
>   //| | / / \__ \  1985 8v Prowler Orange "Beatrice"
>  / _  |/ / ___/ /  1985 8v Titian Red "Lucky"
> /_/ |_/_/ /____/   http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco
>
> =>-----Original Message-----
> =>From: Brett Van Sprewenburg [mailto:brett@netacc.net]
> =>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:06 AM
> =>To: pbureau@attbi.com
> =>Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> =>Subject: Re: Is there a write-up for this? (was: 134a conversion
> =>update)-venturing OT...
> =>>
> =>
> =>
> =>Ah, you have misunderstood what I was talking about.  What
> =>I was suggesting is that you actually PUT content ON the
> =>scirocco.org machine / host.  It can be a mirror of what  you
> =>are hosting on your own site, a subset, or even a superset if
> =>you were so inclined.  You (or people like you that wanted to
> =>contribute like this) would be responsible for putting the proper
> =>content into the scirocco.org tech section, or FAQ area.  Do you
> =>get my drift here? :)
> =>
> =>Your site was only 'unavailable' more then twice this year if I
> =>remember correctly (note remember correctly), but once (or twice?)
> =>it could only be accessed via an IP address instead of a name,
> =>which would naturally have broken all linked material also.  I'm not
> =>trying to debate how 'hearty' anybody's particular site is, I'm just
> =>using some examples as to why I do not really like just linking to
> =>other peoples content...soooo sooo many have come and gone,
> =>moved, gone down, changed linking / URLs / content or what-ever,
> =>that it's generally not worth the hassle or administration for content.
> =>Just linking to a site at the 'top' level though is another thing
> =>entirely,
> =>which is what the more generic 'Links' section on scirocco.org is for.
> =>I am really tired of being dependent on other peoples hardware and
> =>bandwidth to run our system...note how many times our mail service
> =>has been interrupted this year.... :/  It would be especially
troublesome
> =>to have to police the site content areas as well as the links section.
> =>
> =>Anyway, the real point here is that I'm asking if you'd like to help
> =>administer the tech section within the scirocco.org site by mirroring
> =>what you've put up on your own (or a portion of it).  You seem to have
> =>real energy around even documenting what many might consider even
> =>the mundane. :-)  We can work out the details of this offline though,
> =>whether you'd like to or not, how the transfers could happen,
> =>editing, etc.
> =>
> =>Thanks.
> =>
> =>==Brett
> =>
> => \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's, take two home.
> =>They're small"
> =>\/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v (Winter+) | -
> =>brett@netacc.net
> =>
>
>
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