Re: Logo Infringement

["Jeremy Salda" <roccoguy@mac.com>]

If VW AG is actually pissed off, then maybe they will get their butts in
gear and start putting VWoA in it's place. I have a hard time believing that
VW AG is so concerned with their bottom line that they won't support
enthusiasts. However, I know second hand how big of jerks VWoA can be. Keep
rattling their cages Dirk, and if you get some contact info, forward it on
to the list so that we can send all of our other complaints about VWoA to
them.

jeremy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk Schneider" <SCIROCCO2@t-online.de>
To: "Fry, Larry" <LEF@chem-tronics.com>; "Brett Van Sprewenburg"
<brett@netacc.net>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Logo Infringement


> I contacted the department of VW AG Germany today which is responsible for
VW-Clubs
> and reported the matter to them.
> They were irritated and apologized and will check what will be best to do
now.
>
> At least it was a good feeling that aside from all the people on the
Scirocco-list
> VW of Germany is willing to help me !
>
> I will keep you updated what they suggest to do now...
>
> friendly Greetings
> Dirk
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dirk-
> >  bypass everything and JUST ASK FOR PERMISSION TO USE THE LOGO!
>
> > Larry  sandiego16V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brett Van Sprewenburg [mailto:brett@netacc.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 3:42 PM
> To: Dirk Schneider
> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Infringement
>
>
>
> I took the opportunity to try and run down the owner / operator of the
> domain the email appeared to come from as it's been registered in
Rochester
> NY.  I was not able to get any satisfaction, as the phone numbers went
> no-where.  It's possible this is a weird hoax, and I might consider asking
> (perhaps in German :-) )  for proof of authenticity.  Just a thought...
>
> ==Brett
>
>
> >Thanks for all your mails  !
> >
> >At the moment I think I wait and do just nothing.
> >
> >The risk in asking VW-Germany would be
> > that they will be attentive towards me then, and I'm pretty sure
> >that they won't give me a permission
> >but also want to prevent me from showing VW-logos as I'm in no
> >way legally related with VW ...
> >
> >I'm waiting for the first registered postal mail to arrive here,
> >then I might replace the VW-logo ( that I edited myself )
> >with something less "dangerous".
> >
> >I guess they can't sue me for showing pictures of my VW-cars on the web,
> >especially not my debadged GTX ?
> >
> >....and like Jason said, what will happen  if I put a picture from a
> >Scirocco grille
> >with VW badge on the website ? Is it illegal to show parts of my car
> >on the web ??
> >
> >the more I think about it the less sense this all makes for me.
> >
> >anyway, I just wait what happens and keep you updated...
> >
> >friendly Greetings !
> >Dirk
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Aaron Ness" <aaron@makuta.com>
> >To: "'Dirk Schneider'" <Dirk@Scirocco2.de>; "'Scirocco List'"
> ><scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 7:42 PM
> >Subject: RE: Logo Infringement
> >
> >
> >Good point about the language - respond (in long German sentences with
lots
> >of big important words) that you don't understand what they are saying
> >because they didn't bother to write in your language.  Offer to hire a
> >translator at their expense or something smart-assed like that.  Then if
> >they bother to write to you in German, you can begin to consider them
> >legitimately interested in doing something to you.
> >
> >Aaron
> >'87 528e
> >'82 Scirocco
> >'70 Beetle
> >'82 GPz550
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dirk Schneider
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 12:39 PM
> > > To: Scirocco List
> > > Cc: Takacs Attila; Macsek; Sam
> > > Subject: Fw: Logo Infringement
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello listers,
> > >
> > > just got this stupid e-mail below.
> > > did anyone else get such an e-mail recently ?
> > >
> > > is this important for me ? ( as it isn't written in german so
> > > how should I read it ?? )
> > >
> > >
> > > ARE THEY CRAZY OR WTF ????
> > >
> > > what is next ?  www.scirocco.org maybe ???
> > >
> > > slightly irritated
> > > Dirk
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ceaseanddesist@legal-warning"
> > > <ceaseanddesist@legal-warning.com>
> > > To: <SCIROCCO@t-online.de>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 5:33 PM
> > > Subject: Logo Infringement
> > >
> > >
> > > RE:  First Letter/Logo Infringement
> > > Mark:  VW®
> > > File:  258
> > > Dear Mr. Dirk Schneider:
> > >
> > > We represent Volkswagen of America, Inc. ("VWoA"), a wholly-owned
> > > subsidiary and exclusive U.S. importer of cars manufactured
> > > by Volkswagen
> > > AG ("Volkswagen") and Audi AG ("Audi"). VWoA is charged with
> > > protecting
> > > trademarks associated with those cars and has asked us to
> > > contact you on
> > > its behalf.
> > >
> > > VWoA learned that you are using Volkswagen's registered mark
> > > VW® on your
> > > website SCIROCCO2.DE. However, the above referenced mark is a
> > > registered
> > > trademark belonging to Volkswagen, and may not be used without the
> > > express permission of the owner. Your use of this mark, and the use of
> > > the SCIROCCO advertisement on your website, violates the
> > > Lanham Act, 15
> > > U.S.C. §§ 1114, 1125, and infringes upon Volkswagen's state and common
> > > law trademark rights.
> > >
> > > On behalf of VWoA, we request that upon receipt of this
> > > letter you cease
> > > and desist from using their registered mark on your website,
> > > and on all
> > > advertising or promotional materials. Your continuing use of
> > > this mark is
> > > misleading to the public and constitutes a misappropriation
> > > of customer
> > > goodwill developed and paid for by Volkswagen. For your
> > > information, VW
> > > was recently awarded damages in the excess of $250,000 against an
> > > independent garage that refused to cease using VW's logos.
> > > Volkswagen is
> > > very diligent in enforcing trademark rights, and will not tolerate
> > > infringements such as yours.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Stephen J. Arpaia, Esq.
> > >
> > > -------------------------------
> > > IP Protector, LLC
> > > http://ipprotector.com
> > > 2604 Elmwood Avenue, #178
> > > Rochester, NY 14618 - 2295
> > > -------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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