RE: Eureka! T-bodies the *cheapass way*

["Scott F. Williams" <sfwilliams@home.com>]

Assuming that the G60 management system works well enough, I'll spend that
$1740 (where'd ya get $2k from?) to get approximately 210hp. That means that
I'm spending about $38 to get each hp. That's a lot! However, compare it to
a ported head for... say... $800. If that nets a gain of 15hp, then you're
paying $53 for each of them, for instance. Turbo is another option, but (as
I mentioned before) that increases complexity and weight. The reliability
will be compromised, too. The turbo is substantially more economical than
the t-bodies if you start with a stock motor, however.

Folks, how about listing some bang for the buck modifications for 8v and 16v
motors. That would be a great thread, I think. Let's just agree on a means
of comparison. I chose dollars/hp because you end up with whole numbers
rather than wierd fractions.
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> So your paying $2,000 for how much h.p.?
>
> Andy 1.9 '79
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott F. Williams <sfwilliams@home.com>
> To: jdbubb@ix.netcom.com <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>; Neal Tovsen
> <sixteen.volt@verizon.net>
> Cc: 'Scirocco List' <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Date: 16 November, 2001 4:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Eureka! T-bodies the *cheapass way*
>
>
> |Sophistication aside, clearly the major pain in the neck with the Digi-1
> |system is that it can not be programmed conveniently. However,
> the guys out
> |at SNS Tuning seem to have a real handle on it. An initial round of three
> |chips will set me back $75. Then, I'll take the car to a dyno and run it
> |with a wide-band O2 sensor. I send the charts back to SNS, and
> they'll burn
> |me an improved series of chips for another $75. I figure that with this
> |process, I'll end spending about $500 for a completely mapped management
> |system. The dyno testing will run $200 or so, but I'd be
> inclined to do it,
> |anyway. Injectors from a Ford Mustang will run about $20 each.
> So, my parts
> |list may break down like this:
> |
> |throttlebodies: $1035
> |G60 Digifant-1 system: $275*
> |injectors: $80* (assuming that I can't get them with the Digi system)
> |ECU chips: $150
> |dyno tuning: $200
> |Total: $1740
> |
> |Installation would be essentially free 'cause I can do it myself. That
> total
> |price tag is still nothing to sneeze, but... Hey, ya gotta pay to play!
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> |> -----Original Message-----
> |> From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> |> [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb
> |> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:12 AM
> |> To: Neal Tovsen
> |> Cc: 'Scott F. Williams'; 'Scirocco List'
> |> Subject: Re: Eureka! T-bodies the *cheapass way*
> |>
> |>
> |> I just can't let the small points by.
> |> I'm quite sure that the G60 engine management is far more sophisticated
> |> than either TEC II or (especially) SDS.
> |> I'm sure it's nowhere near as controllable or as adaptable as TEC II or
> |> SDS for the average man on the street, but it's far more sophisticated
> |> in it's ability to exactly control fuel and ignition.
> |> Dan
> |>
> |> Neal Tovsen wrote:
> |> >
> |> > The G60 engine management is not, by any means, as sophisticated as a
> |> > TEC-II, SDS, etc, but it would probably get the job done just fine.
> |>
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