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RE: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering
I didn't know there are Spanish manufacturers. (like the Bultaco's, OSSA's,
or Montessa's were?) Or, are these known European makes that are just
assembled in Spain?
Larry sandiego16V
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From: Andy Holmes [mailto:sciroccoinj@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:05 AM
To: Fry, Larry; Cheapass Ron; Chris DeLong; rabbit16v@prodigy.net;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering
Tell me about it - I've owned a few, and some Italian,
and some French, and some Spanish, and some German.
Never had an American car so no comment on their
quality. Could give you some insights on the above lot
though ;-)
Never had a Japanese car, or any of the budget Asian
or Eastern European makes.
As a generalisation based on the cars i've owned.
British - mechanically strong, poor ancillaries, poor
design, iffy build, poor rust resistance, good
interiors, generallly good road manners.
Italian - Rust Rust Rust and bad electrics.
Mechanically superb
French - Mechanically unburstable, superb road
manners, amazing suspension, very poor interiors,
cheap materials.
Spanish - Good budget allrounders with no real weak
points. Stylish
German - mechanically excellent, well made, good
materials, good rust prevention, expensive to run when
they do break down, safe and sure.
IMHO
Andy
--- "Fry, Larry" <LEF@chem-tronics.com> wrote: >
Andy-
> ..and you should be!!!!! :)
>
> Larry sandiego16V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Holmes [mailto:sciroccoinj@yahoo.co.uk]
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:52 AM
> To: Cheapass Ron; Chris DeLong; Fry, Larry;
> rabbit16v@prodigy.net;
> scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German
> engineering
>
>
> I'm soo glad British cars arnt in this discussion.
>
> Andy
>
> --- Cheapass Ron <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote: > (big
> breath)
> >
> > Wow, that's a loaded statement. But this is a
> > discussion group and
> > this *is* discussion, after all...
> >
> > I both agree and disagree. Certainly your
> statement
> > holds true for
> > BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes vs. The Big Three. No
> > argument there
> > whatsoever.
> >
> > But we deal with Volkswagens. These are
> > mass-market, economy cars.
> > Cheap cars, even. Much as we love them, including
> > me, let us recall
> > what we deal with.
> >
> > We complain about shaky transmissions, A/C that
> > never works, bad
> > electrical systems, rattles, shakes, crappy shift
> > linkages, cracking
> > unibodies (front engine/tranny mount, a-arms,
> strut
> > towers). Failed
> > heater motor resistors. Cracked exhaust
> manifolds.
> > Horribly
> > underdesigned engine mounts (on the A1's...but has
> > this truly been
> > fixed yet?). Odometers that often don't work
> after
> > maybe 100,000
> > miles. Face it: these are NOT cars for those who
> > aren't mechanically
> > inclined, 13+ years old or not. You want to do
> > nothing to your car but
> > change oil and tires and add gas? Get a Toyota
> > (yawwwnn). Yes, the
> > bottom ends of our engines are fantastic. As are
> > the FI systems, if
> > you don't fuck with them. But what about the
> > incredible Chevy small
> > block? Their straight six? The Turbohydramatic
> > 350, or god forbid,
> > the TH400? Supremely good stuff.
> >
> > I've owned several American cars. They have their
> > pluses and minuses.
> > My little '92 Saturn SL2 was the best car amongst
> > the lot, hands down.
> > In may ways it reminded me of a VW in its
> simplicity
> > of design. My
> > S10, well, I bitched about it, but it ran and ran
> > and ran. As did our
> > Explorer (yes, an SUV, we can argue that in a
> > different thread). Our
> > Chylsler T&C minivan, well, sucks.
> >
> > My final analysis: German engineering can be
> > superb. It can also be
> > merely adequate, as is the case with our VW's.
> > Frankly, the same goes
> > for American auto engineering. Both examples aim
> at
> > a broad-market,
> > "value" offering...neither is going to give you an
> > overdesigned system.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure we'll discuss this more...
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > No offense Ron but comparing American car
> > engineering to German
> > > engineering
> > > is like comparing steaming pile of shit to a
> > freshly mowed lawn
> > > (minus the
> > > shit part) ;-)
> >
> >
> >
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