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RE: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering
Andy-
..and you should be!!!!! :)
Larry sandiego16V
-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Holmes [mailto:sciroccoinj@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:52 AM
To: Cheapass Ron; Chris DeLong; Fry, Larry; rabbit16v@prodigy.net;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Was lug bolts, now US vs. German engineering
I'm soo glad British cars arnt in this discussion.
Andy
--- Cheapass Ron <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote: > (big
breath)
>
> Wow, that's a loaded statement. But this is a
> discussion group and
> this *is* discussion, after all...
>
> I both agree and disagree. Certainly your statement
> holds true for
> BMW, Porsche, and Mercedes vs. The Big Three. No
> argument there
> whatsoever.
>
> But we deal with Volkswagens. These are
> mass-market, economy cars.
> Cheap cars, even. Much as we love them, including
> me, let us recall
> what we deal with.
>
> We complain about shaky transmissions, A/C that
> never works, bad
> electrical systems, rattles, shakes, crappy shift
> linkages, cracking
> unibodies (front engine/tranny mount, a-arms, strut
> towers). Failed
> heater motor resistors. Cracked exhaust manifolds.
> Horribly
> underdesigned engine mounts (on the A1's...but has
> this truly been
> fixed yet?). Odometers that often don't work after
> maybe 100,000
> miles. Face it: these are NOT cars for those who
> aren't mechanically
> inclined, 13+ years old or not. You want to do
> nothing to your car but
> change oil and tires and add gas? Get a Toyota
> (yawwwnn). Yes, the
> bottom ends of our engines are fantastic. As are
> the FI systems, if
> you don't fuck with them. But what about the
> incredible Chevy small
> block? Their straight six? The Turbohydramatic
> 350, or god forbid,
> the TH400? Supremely good stuff.
>
> I've owned several American cars. They have their
> pluses and minuses.
> My little '92 Saturn SL2 was the best car amongst
> the lot, hands down.
> In may ways it reminded me of a VW in its simplicity
> of design. My
> S10, well, I bitched about it, but it ran and ran
> and ran. As did our
> Explorer (yes, an SUV, we can argue that in a
> different thread). Our
> Chylsler T&C minivan, well, sucks.
>
> My final analysis: German engineering can be
> superb. It can also be
> merely adequate, as is the case with our VW's.
> Frankly, the same goes
> for American auto engineering. Both examples aim at
> a broad-market,
> "value" offering...neither is going to give you an
> overdesigned system.
>
>
> I'm sure we'll discuss this more...
>
> Ron
>
>
> --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > No offense Ron but comparing American car
> engineering to German
> > engineering
> > is like comparing steaming pile of shit to a
> freshly mowed lawn
> > (minus the
> > shit part) ;-)
>
>
>
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