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Re: sudden car death (fuel?)
The filter is out and when I jump the relay, no fuel comes out.
I unplug the main pump and still hear the transfer pump. What
else should I check, the fuel pump sounds like it's working when plugged in,
what happened?
geordy wrote:
> 16v '88 jetta
>
> I was thinking it'd go toward the back just because that looks more
> correct
> like a bullet in a gun or something. (faster than a speeding
> honda...more powerful
> than a...)
>
> Eric L Ellis wrote:
>
>> What kind of car? 16v? The seam goes toward the front.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:26:42 -0700 geordy
>> <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>> writes:
>>
>>> I bought a new fuel filter today, no it's not a bosch....
>>> It's a fram, they had it in stock and it was $10 cheaper than
>>> the bosch, I hope no one has a problem with this!
>>>
>>> Now, my question, are these filters directional or is does
>>> it matter which way I hook it up? Should the seam face the
>>> front or the rear of the car?
>>>
>>> Cheapass Ron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, there is a timing mark under the inspection cover
>>>> on the tranny. there is also a 6 deg mark, which
>>>> looks like a chisel mark. Just to the left of that,
>>>> viewed bending over the driver's fender, is a little
>>>> square protrusion (there's also one to the right, a
>>>> little farther away - you want the one to the left). Set the engine
>>>> there...easier to remove the plugs and
>>>> crank from the 19mm pulley bolt on the front end of
>>>> the crankshaft. Line that squarish mark up to the
>>>> indicator on the bottom of the inspection hole (you
>>>> have to remove the whole green plug, not just the
>>>> little clear thing in the middle, good luck). Then
>>>> check the timing mark on the cam...which should be at
>>>> 12:00 and aligned with the little pointer on the inner
>>>> cover. That should tell you whether the cam timing is
>>>> on or off.
>>>> AFA the fuel, easiest way to check is with a gauge and
>>>> a double-length banjo bolt...but these are not in
>>>> every garage. I'd guess the next easiest thing to to
>>>> is remove one injector, preferably all, point it into
>>>> a jar, jumper the fuel pump relay, and lift the
>>>> airflow sensor plate to make sure all spray
>>>> sufficiently...this procedure is in the Bentley. Cracking loose a
>>>> fuel line fitting from the filter
>>>> could tell you a little something, or maybe even
>>>> removing the return line to the tank and checking flow
>>>> there...that on 2nd though could be valuable because
>>>> that fuel has already been past the pressure
>>>> regulator.
>>>>
>>>> You do have a fat spark, right?
>>>>
>>>> And BTW, you *do* have the Bentley...or at least a
>>>> Haynes...right? No shit, the Bentley is super
>>>> valuable.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck, let me know how you progress.
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> --- Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cheapass Ron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> NOw it's starting to sound like a fuel pump...but
>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTDT, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Welllll, not exactly, I turn the key, I hear the
>>>>> fuel pump. Aside from that,
>>>>> I crank the motor and I think I still here the fuel
>>>>> pump. What is the easy way
>>>>> to check and see if I have actual flow?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you set it to TDC and see where the
>>>>>> cam mark lines up? That'll tell you whether your
>>>>>>
>>>>> cam
>>>>>
>>>>>> timing is off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the mark on the timing belt gear on the
>>>>> cam?
>>>>> And see if what lines up? Is there a mark under
>>>>> that
>>>>> inspection plug on the trans?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> --- Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone thing I may have a fuel problem? I
>>>>>>>
>>>>> just
>>>>>
>>>>>>> replace my injector seals btw.
>>>>>>> Could it be a fuel filter? Maybe I went over a
>>>>>>>
>>>>> bump
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and dislodged a grain of muck and clogged
>>>>>>> it? Could the fuel pump shaft separate from the
>>>>>>> pump mechanism so that it sounds like
>>>>>>> it's spraying fuel but actually not...? What is
>>>>>>> the easy method to check fuel flow?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I put the new airboot on it almost started
>>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>> then died so I don't think it's spark
>>>>>>> or timing. It only does the almost start and
>>>>>>>
>>>>> then
>>>>>
>>>>>>> die thing after having sat for quite a
>>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geordy
>>>>>>> '88 jetta 16v
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> geordy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to replace the t-belt anyways since I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>>>> absolutely no idea
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how long it has been on there.
>>>>>>>> BTW, It died when I hit a bump in the road, my
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> scirocco did the same
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thing to my brother one
>>>>>>>> time, he hit a bump (or jump) in the road and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> threw the timing off and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it ran shitty all the way home.
>>>>>>>> Mine just died, I wonder what's up...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I put the airbox/intake stuff back together and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the car still wouldn't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> start. I left all of the other
>>>>>>>> belts off however... I wouldn't think that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>>>> be a problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 16v Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't have to be that huge!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you were able to see daylight in there, you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> have about 0 chance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that the car will run.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's your problem from the sound of it. Try
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>> start the car with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a new one on there before you kill yourself
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> checking the timing belt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And why you going through so much trouble to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> check the belt this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> way? Couldn't you just have taken the upper
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cover off without doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all that other shit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 5/9/01 , Geordy Rostad wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's not THAT large, but when I removed the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> pipe
>>>>>
>>>>>>> between the two
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> boots I saw
>>>>>>>>>> daylight...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brett Van Sprewenburg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have noticed a big tear in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> throttle body air boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just so I can be the first.... :)
>>>>>>>>>>> But this is probably the reason your car
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> won't
>>>>>
>>>>>>> run, or start, or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> what-ever...
>>>>>>>>>>> Any tear in the boot is likely to cause
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> running
>>>>>
>>>>>>> problems, a large
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> one will cause the car not to run at
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> all...probably got your culprit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>> ==Brett
>>>>>>>>>>> \/ '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> take two home. They're
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> small"
>>>>>>>>>>> \/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Winter+) | -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> brett@netacc.net
>>>>>>>>>>>
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