RE: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc --replied to wrongpo st a sec ago..:p

["Griffin, Robert" <Robert.Griffin@bcbsfl.com>]

Donations accepted by paypal seems like the absolute best idea to me. Also
small stickers and such that can be used as a tiny life support for the list
sound good. Excluding anyone for any reason sounds wrong. had I not already
experienced the knowledge and comraderie of this list, I probably wouldn't
have joined if a fee were required. How would I have known what the list
contained? Maybe occasional donation drives or something. You could even
have the scirocco list email address in paypal for us to send payment to
whenever we have the cash. Like, when you were about to spend 150 bux and
someone on the list saves your ass and you get away with paying 50 bux, you
could send 5 bux into here. Kind of an honor system that sets no fee or
amount, but trusts you will do the right thing. We own rocs! We're honest
and have great pride. Maybe we could try it?

Bobby Griffin
Microsoft Flunky
ext. 58737 opt. 9


-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Rogowski [mailto:bgr13@mn.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 5:07 AM
To: rept@qwest.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: scirocco.org club, list etiquette, etc


> Ongoing costs could be fullfilled via club
> merchandise  sales.  But there will be a need for
> some startup capital beyond servers and programs.

First, a club CANNOT depend on merchandise sales to support itself.  If
Volksport did that we'd be very poor indeed.  It certainly helps, but it
still cost $20 a year to be a member.  Second, what would we need startup
capital for.  What are we starting?  The club idea is nice, but
realistically, the jump to an organized international VW from where we are
now is enormous.  Volksport has been in existence since '97.  In that time,
we've tried to have satellite chapters, and it is a very hard thing to do.
Currently we are talking with our Wisconsin chapter(the next state over from
our home state of Minnesota).  They want to separate from the main chapter
because they feel left out, among other reasons.

> > > So, to solve the above problems, I've been working on a solution. On a
> > > small personal budget, I have secured a decent bit of hardware and
> > > bandwidth.  This is for moving the web site and the mailing list back
> > > onto the same machine, and under the relatively steady control of
> > > myself.  I still need a couple of things to make it all happen,
> > > but I am working on it.  (As a quick aside, please don't suggest

> > > It is important to note that some of the solutions that I'm having
> > > to come up with are limited due to the fact that I am putting my
> > > own money into securing the machine, routers, bandwidth, and drives.
> > > So, the concept of a member supported infrastructure really intrigues
> > > me...as I could be online far more quickly with a better service if I
> > > had a budget to work with...we should talk more about this.  Fixed IP
> > > is really where it's at, but it's expensive, for instance.
> > > We could take this offline if someone would like...

I definitely support some sort of collection plan to help with the above
aspect of the club.  Anything to make the current state of Scirocco.org
better, faster and easier to use.  I don't know what the best way to do this
is, but I don't feel that orgainizing into a typical club is the right way
to go about it.  I think a typical club is an unwieldy, lumbering beast and
we have a unique oportuninty as a strictly online club to do things
differently.

> > > Basically I have a great interest in seeing a high quality online
> > > scirocco community, and will do what I can to make it happen.

Thanks Brett.  Without the website, none of us would be here in the first
place.

Ben R
'79 Scirocco 1.8 16V, almost has suspension
'86.5 Quantum Syncro Wagon
'00 Suzuki SV650




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