RE: i try to get out but you keep pulling me in....

["Neal Tovsen" <sixteen.volt@gte.net>]

Jonas,
It's amazing how much light a little knowledge can shed on a situation. I
personally had no idea about your medical conditions, and I still don't know
much about you. But now I know more than just "Jonas is a guy with a typing
problem", and that means a lot. I thank you for taking the time to help us
all know a little more about you. I hope everyone's respect for you grows as
a result. Seriously. While I don't think it's necessary to tell us as much
as you just did, I'd bet that 99% of this flame-war crap would have never
happened if everyone knew just a little more about you than your name. The
thing that sucks about email is that all we see is text...nobody knows
anything else about you unless you tell us. It becomes too easy to assume
things about people when you can't see their face. It becomes even easier to
become a complete asshole when they can't see yours.

BTW, I was specifically talking to TBerk in the last message because I
didn't want to "pull you in". You were never obligated to respond. I CC'd
the list instead of sending it only to TBerk was because I didn't want to
have the conversation behind your back. OTOH, I'm glad you did respond.
No...the serial number and blood type are quite unnecessary. ;)

Neal

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of J Miller
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 6:12 PM
> To: Neal Tovsen; T Berk
> Cc: Scirocco-L
> Subject: Re: i try to get out but you keep pulling me in....
>
>
> well sinc eyou are the ones carrieng this one i let it go
> yesterday mid day
> sometiem si believe or i stated actually talkign to people and explaining
> things,   my life all thu it has been a rough 25 years is not all pulic
> knoweldge yet if you would like just s small bit of insight i
> will grant you
> onyl these tidbits of my gone with teh wind medical file adn yes it is
> large,  so here is a fewthings that contribute to the issues i have to
> compensate for,
> 1  have had 10 or so consussions which has left me wiht a slight
> blind spot
> in one eye adn occasional issues with vision(and no i drive fine
> it is wheni
> have to focus on small tiny objects like keyboards screens signs shit iek
> that(ohh it was stop sign j/k)
> 2 sliught nerve damage thru my left arm from a dirt bike accident  which
> inturn pinches a nerve down my arm from a 3rd degree seperation of the ac
> joint
> 3 major arthits in both hands sometimes they dont open all theway  due to
> all fingers excpte thumbs beign broken or sprian ed a few times when
> yougner, and broken right wirst...
> 4 have had 4 abdomianl surguries
> 5 had 4 knee surguries,
> 6  have pinched nerve l4 l5 siatic problems,
> 7 slight heart condition (mytro valve prolapse, arrythmia, post
> ventricular
> contractions
> 8 numbness in parts of shoulder, back , hips, right leg, and right foot,
>
> by all means i am not makign excuses for the way i type at all and i could
> care less if you want to read my emails int eh first place, i
> respind to add
> knowledge to teh list adn educate peopel, in teh three or so years i have
> been on the list  i hae encounted this issue abotu once every 6-8
> months and
> it fades after one day but for soem reason after i drop it  PEOPLE  keep
> talkign about it, email eachother privatly like you said,   the
> onyl reason
> i spoke up was to cute it off before it got out of hand , then when my
> private emsal gets flooded from lister who wanna whine and ttel
> me the same
> thign i have heard for years,   i end it wiht a pulblic statemnt
> and yet it
> still continues,
> so you knwo soem and might i say very littel abotu my medical
> history, that
> is only issues wit my body which doe snot include damage recieved from
> spinal ttaps, nerve conduction tess, eeg, emg, ekg, echo cardio grams, and
> nerve blocks taht i have recieved that after a few years still
> ahve not warn
> off, so i get lazy fingers and the such
> any other medical  shti you guys wanna knwo?   blood type, last known
> wherabouts, rank serial number,
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neal Tovsen" <sixteen.volt@gte.net>
> To: "T Berk" <tberk@mindspring.com>
> Cc: "Scirocco-L" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 5:53 PM
> Subject: RE: The infamous typing thread, and why it needs to stop.
>
>
> > T Berk said:
> > >  Naw, it may seem obvious but that is the problem- perception has run
> > > rampant and this has devolved into a witch hunt.
> >
> > I'd agree with you, but with all due respect, I can't.
> Personally, I don't
> > really care, and I've never been involved in the mess until this time.
> Most
> > people, like yourself, cut him slack every time he writes an email. Not
> > everyone is willing to do this quietly. The law of assholes
> states that a
> > certain percentage of people are always going to give Jonas shit for
> typing
> > horribly (section 13.216.b).
> >
> > Yes, it takes at least two people to start a flame war, so Jonas is
> > certainly not the only one at fault. What fails to pass the
> logic test is
> > that Jonas could bring an end to the whole thing peacefully, simply, and
> > without any hurt reputations or feelings...yet he doesn't choose to. He
> not
> > only continues the core action (poor typing), but he quickly resorts to
> > profanity and insults...which only eggs people on and escalates
> the verbal
> > violence. IMHO, he has two options:
> >
> > 1) Give people a legit reason why he can't type. This way, we'll all
> > understand him better, and no one will have any reason to razz him. I
> don't
> > care if it's a learning disorder or if a physical disability
> requires him
> to
> > type with his earlobes. As long as it's the truth, people will
> respect it.
> > Obviously, if people are left to assume Jonas is merely lazy
> (the default
> > assumption, I'd wager), then he's gonna get a lot of crap for it and
> > everything stays the same.
> >
> > -or-
> >
> > 2) Type correctly.
> >
> > No one can force him to take any particular action, but as long
> as things
> > don't change, they'll stay the same (get it? he-he...). Thus, the
> "logical"
> > assumption that if he has the power to change but doesn't choose to
> change,
> > he must therefore prefer the status quo. If someone can argue the
> contrary,
> > I'm open to a learning experience. What are the other possibilities?
> >
> > Scirocco content:
> > Life is so good with new CV joints! I got the whole reman'd drive axles.
> To
> > my surprise, they were quite painless to install, too. Now, I
> just need to
> > get the A/C working again...
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
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