Re: *ENGINE CEASE UPDATE* (long)

["Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>]

The vw engines have such huge passages from the head to the block/sump that
this shouldnt happen.
Also, thats a hella lot of oil to collect in a head.
The passages may have closed a bit (perhaps block sat out in
open/corroded/never cleaned out).
My 2 cents.
Al

Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
driveshafts, wheels :)


----- Original Message -----
From: "B-Boy Krazy Horse" <nightmare16v1988@hotmail.com>
To: <rapieper@yahoo.com>; <jerry.carter@shaw.ca>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: *ENGINE CEASE UPDATE* (long)


> gotta love the Mitsu for that one. my friend Mack has a theory and it
makes
> sense, here is what he said:
>
> ***
>
> I have another idea as to what may have happened!!!! You could have very
> well pumped all of your oil to the top of your engine by keeping the rpms
so
> high!
>
> DO NOT LAUGH!!!! I am serious about this. If you pumped all of the oil to
> the head, you would get air in the pump, resulting in no oil pressure.
this
> is where your OP light turns on and the scary buzzer starts screaming.
then,
> when the car stopped running, you added
> extra oil the oil.then when you checked the oil later, it has all fallen
to
> the bottom of the engine, hence your huge amount of extra oil. THEN when
you
> checked the plugs, there was extra oil on the threads because all of the
oil
> pressure pushed oil through the gasket that separates the head from the
> valve cover.  I AM TEH WINNAR!!!!!1
>
> This is why porsches run dry sump systems. also it keeps the foam out of
the
> oil. NASCAR cars run scavanging pumps in the valve covers to keep oil
moving
> through the engine to prevent this from occuring, because running a V8 at
> 7500rpms for a couple hours will do the same thing.
>
> ***
>
> this makes sence. he is TEH WINNAR!1 after all. but how do i prevent this

> from happening again? just not redline it? what fun is that? what if i
> *want* to go 120? thanks guys!
>
> -Craig
> "Nightmare" '88 16v (soon to be g60 Turbo!!)
>
> >From: Cheapass Ron <rapieper@yahoo.com>
> >To: Jerry Carter <jerry.carter@shaw.ca>,  Scirocco List
> ><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>,  B-Boy Krazy Horse
> ><nightmare16v1988@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: *ENGINE CEASE UPDATE* (long)
> >Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:44:13 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I agree here.  Having a head full of oil sounds like a reasonable guess
> >as to what happened.
> >
> >Get a new or charged battery and see if it turns over; if so, fire it
> >up and watch oil pressure and listen for clunk-clunk noise.  If noise
> >then it was shot already so no further harm done; if no noise and
> >reasonable oil pressure then you actually may be able to get a few more
> >miles out of it.
> >
> >Then, pull the valve cover off and see why the oil may not have drained
> >back into the block so it doesn't happen again and check for damage
> >there.
> >
> >Dropping the pan and sliding in new main and rod bearings is *so* easy
> >it may save you the hassle of a swap and rebuild, depending on
> >compression and hot oil pressure.
> >
> >FWIW, I once borrowed a Mitisubish van and the oil filter blew up -
> >separated at the seam - pumping all the oil out steadily over a
> >one-mile stretch.  That engine also appeared shot and would not turn
> >over.  The owner's mechanic refilled it, charged the battery, and
> >presto, it ran fine (all the way to the dealer to be traded in).  So
> >all may not be lost.
> >
> >Ron
> >
> >--- Jerry Carter <jerry.carter@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > Wasn't this settled as a possible plugged oil drain hole?the pump
> > > pushes all
> > > the oil to the head but due to a blockage the oil wouldn't flow back
> > > down,
> > > or at least that the way that I remember it (I don't think I paid
> > > much
> > > attention to that thread)I'd say take the thing out, take it apart,
> > > clean
> > > EVERYTHING and put it back together and drop it back in! How's that
> > > for a
> > > fun winter project?
> > >
> >now
> > > > im starting to worry. we let it sit for five minuets and check the
> > > oil
> > > > level, at first it says there is nothing, but new oil is impossible
> > > to see
> > > > in the dark. i touched the dip stick and there was oil on it, fresh
> > > oil. i
> > > > turn the key...one little turn over...then nothing. wait about 10
> > > more
> > > > minuets, doesnt even try to turn over. so im like..."FUCK! The
> > > engine
> > > > seized!". i live only about two or three miles from where i was, so
> > > i had
> > > > AAA tow me home.  thats the bad news. the good new is that now i
> > > really
> > > have
> > > > some guption to put in that new engine. i also was having fun with
> > > another
> > > > car worthy of my race (at least it was a BMW, not a Honda).
> > > >
> > > > Monday, November 26, 2001
> > > > well today i went out to see how bad it really was. car would not
> > > > even turn over. i checked under the car for leaks, there were none.
> > > i also
> > > > check my oil level, it was double what it should be. i drained out
> > > a
> > > gallon
> > > > of oil (that was how much i put on on the side of the road) and put
> > > my car
> > > > in 4th. i tried rocking the car, and luckly, the belts started to
> > > move. i
> > > am
> > > > now able to push the car in gear for a little bit,before i have to
> > > start
> > > > rocking it again. i also have it turning over,but it wont start. i
> > > will
> > > take
> > > > the spark plugs out to see if there is anything weird on them (i
> > > dont
> > > really
> > > > know what the hell i am looking for, they were *brand new* Bosh
> > > Platinums
> > > > too!!) i will also see how the engine turns over with the plugs out
> > > and if
> > > i
> > > > am getting compression.does anyone have any idea wtf happened to me
> > > that
> > > > night? could this be a failed oil pump? is there any electrical
> > > that could
> > > > be wrong? wtf?
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday, November 27, 2001
> > > > checked out the plugs, they look brand new. there was oil, however,
> > > > around the threads, a little more than usual, but it might be that
> > > i
> > > > am just noticing it more now. i still have to check the compression
> > > > (dont really know why, it will just make me sleep easier knowing
> > > its not
> > > > that fucked). the engine did turn over much easier with the plugs
> > > out, but
> > > > its still wont turn over with the plugs in. i thought about taking
> > > the oil
> > > > pan off, but i dont really have the gumption anymore. i also check
> > > for
> > > metal
> > > > shavings in the oil, it was clean, pretty much like new oil.
> > > >
> > > > Today, December whatever, 2001
> > > > kinda ironic that i got this new g60 engine (im the one that got it
> > > > off eBay) about a week or two before all this went down. i am
> > > getting a
> > > > Garrett T3 for $125 (used), the ECU and engine wire harness for
> > > $100 (also
> > > > used) and i am still looking for the fuel rail and injectors
> > > (perferably
> > > > used). if anyone knows where to get an 8v turbo manifold used,
> > > please, let
> > > > me know. i really dont want to have to get one new for $275 (i am
> > > one
> > > cheap
> > > > Mo Fo when it comes to these things, if you cant tell, i try to get
> > > them
> > > > used). right now i saw on eBay the complete engine wire harness,
> > > fuse box,
> > > > and ECU w/ Neuspeed P-Chip with the "Buy It Now" for $325 (of
> > > course,
> > > used).
> > > > seems a little high, but i dont know.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Craig
> > > >
> > > > "Nightmare" '88 16v (in Critical Condition from a massive heart
> > > > attack)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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