Re: How good is CIS-E + fuel enrichment module??

[Brett Van Sprewenburg <brett@netacc.net>]

>Hey Brett,
>
>Thanks for the responses.
>
>I am surprised that you felt $3,000 was a bit expensive for a blueprint
>longblock 16v.  What would you feel would be a more acceptable price, or
>should I say, what have you gotten for less that is similar?  Just curious.

I have a fully blueprinted and balanced engine, which also included making
a lightened flywheel, which was rotational matched and balanced with my
sachs high perf sport pressure plate to my engine.  My block was also
2nd oversize bored.  My *full* machine shop bill was around $750.
The block cost me $400.  My cylinder head is rebuilt & was nicely street
ported for useable power throughout the RPM range by a shop that
professionally preped & raced 16v's (still doing Veedubs, but not many
16v's any more), $550.  My cast 83mm Mahle pistons were just over $400.
My 2L 16v shortblock cost $400.  That's about 2k. Throw in bearing,
seal kits & high volume 36mm oil pump: $500, maybe less. 
~2,500-2,700.  I  didn't  say that 3k was outragous, just a tad 
expensive in my experience.
Pay who you trust, I was lucky to find people I trusted to do my work,
that happened to work for a bit more reasonable rate is all, with a
couple more extras like the lightened and balance flywheel, and a 2nd
size overbore thrown in.  All in the name of sharing our experiences and
all that.

>
>What I am doing:
>
>Essentially, just the motor at this stage (swap out the old 1.8L 16v and
>install the rebuild).  I hope to do the tranny in the future.  Reality
>dictates that I'll just learn how to tear the things down myself and redo
>the synchros and install the bolt kit.  I've got an ASE in Manuals, so I
>might as well fall back on it and save some cash.  Make that a whole lot of
>cash.

The rebuilt labor was the smallest $$ on the rebuild I just got through
doing.  There's a local shop with a lot of VW experience (including
racing), and I got on the 'in' by buying one of their ex-race cars for
parts.  Anyway, one of the people there will work on them outside of
the shop, and do a labor only tear down and rebuilt for $200.  All the
new parts I put into the transmission were several times the labor
cost. (ring & pinion, 4th, 5th, reverse, synchros, all the bearings and
seals, etc).  You just have to find the right people to do the work.
Almost without fail, I've found that anyone that *advertises* their
capabilities in certain areas (like VW transaxle rebuilding or head
porting) are usually higher priced then finding someone else
with tons of experience (so you can trust in their work) in the
profession you're seeking but doesn't widely advertise the capability.
Collin of Techtonics porting 16v heads is a decent example of this.
There's a LOT of VW specific knowledge out there, which doesn't have
a multi-magazine level advertising campaign to support. :)

>
>On the tranny, though, I am thinking of either doing the Velocity
>differential shim kit or really saving cash and doing a Quaife in a 16v
>tranny by myself.  Again, a teardown but I have the time to tinker and get
>to know them.  I think it behooves me to learn the 020.

I upgraded my Velocity style kit with some specially hardened rings made
by Peloquin...I don't have enough time on it yet to say if they're
seating in and are 'locking' up better then the 'stock' parts yet.
Probably won't know until next year.  I think you could make some $$$
if you could tear down and reassemble 020's...are you investing in the
various special tools...pullers, and press blocks and such?

>
>-Phil

later Phil!

==Brett

 \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's, take two home. They're small"
\/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v (Winter+) | - brett@netacc.net

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