Re: Handeling 8v VS 16v

["Jason" <jason87vw@nac.net>]

THIS makes alot of sense, unfortunatley my 8v is a memory...
I have been told that maybe I am just not used to the power difference, no
offense to the 8v crowd :-) I could stomp on my 8v around corners and keep
it floored the whole way....Do this with my 16v and I will be screaming "I'm
to young to die!"....Also, my speedo never worked on my 8v so I never knew
how fast I was going...Both were stock, my 16v has tight suspension
(new/used rack, ties, German bearings, ball joints) I know there is nothing
wrong with the my current suspension (except for my shitty new Monroe
Sens-a-tracs, DOH I just had to save money :-( )...I can't wait to slap in
some Koni adjustables and some Bilsteins shocks...Hey I can dream right ?
:-0 Thanks for the input gang...8v's Rock...16v's Shock...Hondas Suck....


-----Original Message-----
From: Lauri Pettai <lauri.pettai@netexpress.ee>
To: Neal Tovsen <sixteen.volt@gte.net>; Jason <jason87vw@nac.net>;
scirocco-l@scirocco.org <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: Handeling 8v VS 16v


>Well, I did an engine swap from 8v to 16v recently to my car '84 GTX and
>I used to autocross with it before and after and what can I say. When I
>swapped the engine I left the suspension as it is I have upper stressbar
and
>I only added stock 16v lower stressbar and when I went back to autocross
>my first impression of the 16v and my cars handling was the same as you
>describe. But I took more and more laps and began to understand the
problem.
>
>The problem was, that the 16v was so much more powerful that I had to
change
>my driving habits quite a bit. When with 8v I could go to corners flat out
>and
>spin my wheels etc, then with 16v this didnt work, cos it had enough power
>to
>spin both wheels as he liked and then I had to release the gas to stay on
>the road,
>but this made the car to loos control on rear wheels (First wheel blocking
>effect
>on FWD cars when you release the gas on corner). Even though I got better
>lap
>times with my 16v despite all this wheelspin and slipping on corners. But
>when
>I got it under control and got the feeling how much you can push your 16v
>then
>the times improved even more!
>
>So by the driving methods 8v and 16v seem to be totally different cars,
>try to understand that.
>
>Runs where performed with my stock 1.8 DX 112HP engine and new 139Hp KR 16v
>engine.
>Want to see me racing check:
>http://www.ttu.ee/~laurts/scirocco/video/TabasaluValjast.avi
>
>
>Lauri!
>'84 1.8 16v Scirocco GTX Kamei X1 Bodykit (VIN025736)
>http://www.ttu.ee/~laurts/scirocco
>I finally added nothing new to my site!
>
>
>> The 16v *should* outhandle the 8v, but as you notice, having new parts
>makes
>> a big difference! The 16v had stiffer (and shorter?) shocks/springs,
>larger
>> anti-sway bars, a front lower stress bar, power steering with a slightly
>> different ratio, and lower profile tires. The only thing going against
all
>> this is that the 16v is a little heavier. Even so, the 8v Mk2 handles
very
>> well, and the differences are subtle. If everything on both cars is
stock,
>> and the 16v actually is handling worse, I'd look into the shocks and all
>the
>> bushings on the suspension and steering.
>>
>> > I have been told that STOCK 16v's handle much better than STOCK
>8v's...By
>> > several mechanics. However my '87 16v Roc seems like it would fly off
>the
>> > road if I pushed it like I used to push my '83 8v....Is it the year of
>the
>> > car ??? I ran Bridgestone Roadhandler GT's on my old 8v. On my 87
>> > 16v I have
>> > a Vredenstein tires...Anybody heard of these. Could it be the odd tires
>or
>> > maybe those infamous tear drop rims. BTW - my 8v had a seized shock and
>I
>> > would still laugh at people who tried to tailgate me in the
>> > twisties. Also,
>> > I have had my suspension redone STOCK. It is totally tight. Any
>> > suggestions....
>
>


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