RE: Physics of having a front swaybar or not

[jacobss@greatoaks.com]

I ran with out a front sway bar no my Scirroco, and I ran with a big one
also.  It comes down to driver preference - ultimately.

If you are a great drive you can take a tub and make it handle better than
the average driver with all the tricks in the world.  I have an Astro van I
can dust the average man going through the turns with it.  I have even
knocked an M3 down the post with the Astro. It is how you drive, not what
you drive that matters!  Once you like what you drive, you get used to that
setup.  I personally like a Scirocco with out a front bar, it turns in
better and feels more balanced to me.  I did not like it with the front bar,
but that is jut me.

Each person has to figure out what combination works best for them, there is
no who is right or wrong.

Stephen Jacobs
This is why I run a 914 most of the time at the auto-x.

-----Original Message-----
From: Armando Pereira [mailto:armando_pereira@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:31 AM
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Physics of having a front swaybar or not


OK I'm out of my league here but let's think about the forces involved...

It seems swaybars would be more of an advantage for people running with wide

tires or tires with good grip.

Would having only a rear sway bar mean that when making turns the weight of 
the car moves more towards the front right or left wheel, improving 
traction?

How would not having swaybars affect the chamber angle?   Wouldn't it be 
effectively changing everytime you make a hard turn?

Please correct me if I'm speaking rubish.




>From: Shawn C Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com>
>To: ilium@bit-net.com
>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: Prepping an 8v for AutoX
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:58:16 EST
>
>On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:43:41 -0800 "Flying Toaster Motorsports"
><ilium@bit-net.com> writes:
>
> >I don't know about that one.  The 13th and 15th place finishers at
> >the 1999 National Championship were in an 8V Rocco with no
> >front bar.
>
>
>No disrespect intended at all, whatsoever, but, 13th and 15th place
>finishes are not exactly top finishers in my book. top 5 to me is the top
>finishers. I realize they might of recieved a trophy for their respective
>finish and it is an indication of the competition that ahows up at
>nationals but still, to me they're not top driver finishing spots.
>
>
> >I've been beat by this car plenty of times and it has
> >NFB.  I've also watched this car beat Jinx Jordrdan's DSP CRX
> >straight up same day same course.  Jinx is a multi time national
> >champion and this car is just about prepped to the max.  I still
> >have nightmares about it.  Only 5-6 VW's finsihed ahead of them,
> >so they must be doing something right.
>
>
>Just think of how much better they can do to with a big front bar! :)
>
>OK, fun aside, to reiterate what I said earlier, you can compensate for
>not having a front swaybar with stiffer springs. This is probably what
>they have done AND it kind ofworks for them. I dont know what else
>they've done to their cars but it makes me wonder what they could of done
>with a swaybar installed?
>
>
>Shawn Meze
>86' Jetta GLi   82' Scirocco GTi   81' "Project Scirocco FSP"
>The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and
>best looking Scirocco in all of San Diego!
>http://www.Geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1308/index.htm
>
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