Re: Waterfest Show Results

["dale witt" <dwitt1@satx.rr.com>]

I have been showing cars and have been on judging teams for eight years and
the problem you mention is widespread and will probially not go away anytime
soon.  When you get a group of volunteers that may or may not know what they
are looking for...mixed results are bound to result.
The last few shows that I have entered I have listed the car as "display
only - Do Not Vote".  If you can have enough judges (unbiased) and have them
judge all of the same  type...the results usually come out a little more
fair.  It is a damn difficult job (judgeing) and usually thankless.

Dale Witt
82 2.1 16v (Zender 400 w/NOS)
86 2.0 16v
85 1.8 GTI
----- Original Message -----
From: "16v Jason" <jason@scirocco.org>
To: "Scott Williams" <sfwilliams@home.com>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: Waterfest Show Results


> Oh, Scott, I completely agree with your judging function over form, etc...
> although I do admit you were rather outspoken about your taste last year
(a
> couple of us overheard quite negative comments about our cars, which are
> sometimes tough to hear).  [No worries, it wasn't me. :) ]
>
> Anyways, the fact of the matter was that the judges were completely
> inconsistent in their judging.  Not naming any names or anything, but
there
> are many, many examples on the judging sheet that make no sense:  i.e. one
> person getting a 9 for exterior condition, and another getting a 12,
> despite that the former was in nowhere the condition of the latter.  Just
> strange things.  I don't care who winds up with what amount of points, but
> the assigning of points needs to be consistent.
>
> I, for one, wasn't expecting a trophy and didn't deserve one this
> year.  However, if you look at the rankings on the cars from the judging
> sheet, it's absurd.  A blind, deaf, and dumb judge would have been more
> accurate in ranking the cars -- no matter what scale you ranked them on --
> cleanliness, thoughtfulness of modifications, overall theme, overall
> condition, or taste.  Obviously, we were all right when, at the show, we
> immediately deduced that they were clueless assholes.
>
> I can't *wait* to write to Rapid.  I feel genuinely badly for anyone who
> expected to be judged fairly.
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> At 03:00 PM 8/15/00 , Scott Williams wrote:
> >Now, if I'd been "running" the Scirocco and Rabbit judging again this
year
> >it would have been another story. With possible risk to my WF judging
> >career, I must say that I usually reviewed cars differently than how we
were
> >instructed to. I looked for function over form and real engineering over
> >bolt-ons. More than a few rougher cars prevailed over their more polished
> >neighbors.
> >
> >Sometimes the differences were entirely subjective, too. Jan Folkson, who
> >entered his car in the stock class, got mad props for some obscure but
> >ultra-original parts like... um, I dunno... unfaded original sound
deadening
> >material under his hood or the original Continental tires, etc. Rich
Deede
> >got slammed for spray painting his speaker grills in the colors of the
> >German flag. Someone thought it looked tacky. See? It ain't all science.
The
> >guy that lost to Brett last year did so because he *painted* his valve
> >cover. Brett *polished* his which is harder to make look nice. The same
car
> >also had a saggy motormount. ZAP!
> >
> >Anyway, judging is hard and not all of the guys know how to really
critique
> >a car. And then there is the inescapable matter of personal taste... HTH
> >_________________________________________
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> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of 16v Jason
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:36 AM
> > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: Waterfest Show Results
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't know if anyone has posted this because I haven't been attentive
to
> > > the list... but the judges' results have been posted on
> > > http://www.rapidparts.com.
> > >
> > > Go ahead and smoke a joint before you read them -- maybe the results
will
> > > make more sense then... because obviously the judges smoked something
bad
> > > before the show.
>
>
>
>
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