Re: front sway-bar problems

[Shawn C Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com>]

Lets recap here. I said:

From: Shawn C Meze <skerocdriver@juno.com>

>> Your advice is only good for road course setup. For the street and 
>>autox its IMHO just plain wrong.

And.......

>>On a road course im sure the
>> NFB system works great. Obviously it has or they wouldn't be in 
>>business.


On Thu, 1 Jul 1999 "H Jones" <hjones1@airmail.net> writes:
>Street driving, Solo I and Road Racing.... They all have their own 
>unique requirements when it comes to suspension setup!


I couldn't agree more!  :)



>Road racing? It is a totally different story! Dump the front bar and get
a
>nice big fat 28mm straight rear sway bar, some 400lbs springs and some
>re-valved Bilsteins. If the "Shine Setup" (no frt bar / stiff frt
springs /
>stiff rear bar) is wrong, why is it the most common "winning" Improved
>Touring VW Rabbit / Scirocco setup? 


First, re-read what I said above. I never said the "Shine Setup" was
wrong. You did. I recall the original poster never stated he was setting
up an ITC car which is what im replying to. I was simply replying to a
street setup. 



>Proper car setup is not dependent on one single setting or factor ( ie.
a
>frt sway bar), but rather how several components work together to
achieve a
>well balanced "package" that works. 


I absolutely agree. Whether its a street car Autox car or road race car,
this applies to it all. 


>There is no
>substitute for data and If you want to know what works, break out the
>stop-watch and the pyrometer.


You lost me here. I suspect a tangent. Doesn't matter, that's cool.  :)


>With 3 seasons of testing and accumulating data (lap times & tire temps)
on
>my ITC Scirocco's setup, this is my "base-line" setup when arriving at 
>the
>track;
>
>1. 400 lbs springs all around
>2. 28 mm rear bar
>3. Re-valved Bilstein Sports
>4. Hoosier R3S03's, P205/60ZR/13
>5. Frt Alignment : - 1 degree camber,  3/16" toe out & +2 Caster
>6. Rear Alignment: - 1/2 degree camber & 1/16" toe out
>7. Diagonally balance corner-weights (with driver in car & race fuel 
>load)
>8. 5.75" Ride Height
>9. Front Lower Stress Bar
>10. No Front Sway Bar!


that's great. Also consider that this setup wont work on EVERY Scirocco.
Not all Scirocco's are created the same. Slight differences between
production years or even the days of the week the car was assembled can
have an effect on the setup needed. Slight tho they may be, different
nonetheless.
Not to mention the drivers aspect. Not all drivers will like the same
setup that you like and you might not like the way another car is set up.


Just noted something I find interesting. #6. You set the rear in a toe
out condition? Isn't that rather counter productive or is it correcting
for a handling problem?


              Shawn Meze
86' Jetta GLi           82' Scirocco GTi
The Fastest, Quickest, Cleanest and
best looking Scirocco in all of San Diego!
http://www.Geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1308/index.htm

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