I'm a pilot and nothing in a cherokee could be like what I have done in an aerobatic airplane along with an airforce test pilot.. Flying is my first love to the 85 8v I own.. -- To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe scirocco-l" to majordomo@scirocco.org. If you experience other problems, email: scirocco-l-probs@scirocco.org