I run non-flex pipe on my 16v no problem. With stock mounts and front sway bar at that. Never figured out the reason why vw added the flex pipe it was just another part that would break. ~Danny~ 88 16v Tornado Red -- To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe scirocco-l" to majordomo@scirocco.org. If you experience other problems, email: scirocco-l-probs@scirocco.org