Re: Scirocco, a collectors car?

[aryasura <aryasu19@idt.net>]

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What makes the mk1 more collectable than the later model Rocco's?
(besides the fact that its older....)

-ed

On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, Doug Teulie wrote:

> The MK1 Scirocco will never be a car that is collected as an
> investment like a 917 or a gullwing MB. It is more like a Mustang.
> The Scirocco has little $ value as an investment
> but so do several other collectibles. The Scirocco is a collectable that you
> can drive.
> Several collectable cars never see the road because they are worth too much
> money.
> It is difficult to collect $100K cars but $5K cars could be collected.
> I still say the MK1 will be like the BMW 2002 as far at as collectible
> classic.
> 
> >>From: Foxx
> >  i must digress for the normal, "accepted" definition of "classic
> >collectable" and say that the only reason something is of that nature is
> >if someone wishes it to be. i love my scirocco, but i must say that i've
> >had many people ask/wonder 'what the hell is a scirocco?'. i've even had
> >one person think it was a merkur.
> 
> To say one man's trash is another man's treasure is a true statement.
> The automotive world will determine what is a classic, not the individuals
> that own the cars. We have made the car a cult car. The automotive world
> will make it a classic. The folks that crashed the Sciroccos when they were
> young and the car was new will make the car memorable to the public.
> It is the design and its market position that make the MK1 Scirocco a
> candidate
> as a classic collectable. It will not be a museum car.
> 
> I think you missed the point about what makes a car a classic.
> A classic design is one that still looks good years after it is obsolete.
> Age is not what makes something a classic.(The MK1's design is 28+ years
> old)
> If people remember a car as the "best in its class" and if it was a major
> work of art it will be a level one classic. The MK1 is both. The last
> measure of
> a classic is if it was important to the automotive world.
> The MK1 is the "GG" designer car that got respect from day one.
> The MK1 was the first water pumper A1 car. The MK1 Scirocco
> is the Karmann built car that replaced the
> KG and started the water cooled movement to replace the bug.
> The MK1 is a functional "sports" car. The MK1 is the sporty pocket rocket.
> 
> If you look back in time
> several cars were not that great but were important to the automotive
> world. The 2CV is a collectable because of the statement it made.
> The Pacer will be a collectable (not classic) because it made a statement. I
> hate the
> Pacer but it is a real design study that you can't forget. The DMC "back to
> the future mobile"
> is a part of history and not because of the movie. The first golf will be
> the car that will be remembered
> as the 70's classic / major world car and the Scirocco MK1 will be known as
> the sporty brother.
> Just like the 65 Mustang and the 65 fastback. A classic car is a
> car that made a statement in its day. If few good examples survived people
> will preserve them and make them collectable classics.
> A classic design is recognizable and you will usually find copies or "me to"
> versions.
> Honda copied the MK1. Toyota copied the MK2. The Impulse is the
> real true statement of that GG design. If you want to find out more about
> the history of the MK2's
> design check out my web page.
> 
> MR Fox,
> You have a MK2 and that is why you have trouble with people recognizing it.
> The MK2 is the forgotten car. It is a great car but not that many folks
> know it. The early 80's was a time when sports cars were dropped. You will
> note
> that few convertibles were offered during the 80's. Small trucks were
> popular
> and the hatchback market was saturated. Most of the Sciroccos were
> driven in to the ground by teenagers. The resale value of the Scirocco
> dropped
> because the kids destroyed the cars. Most of the hatchback cars turned into
> Super cars. the MK2 was lost and poorly positioned but it was the best of
> the hatches. The public went for the Japanese cars during the 80's.
> The Japanese cars had more features and competitive prices. The Golf
> was more practical than the Scirocco and the Golf had more power. The
> MK2 Scirocco had less power than its competitors in the US to keep insurance
> cost down for young drivers. The Scirocco was targeted for 16-25 year old
> drivers
> that wanted a sporty car. The car looked like some exotic Italian car that
> needed to be practical.
> The 16v finally made the MK2 a class leader but  then the car was old and
> forgotten
> buy the public. The Mazda MX-5 was the reintroduction of the sports car for
> most of the US.
> The super cars all were dropped in the late 90's. The Sciroccos were
> appreciated buy
> the people that did not fallow the masses and could see the true value and
> quality of the VW.
> This is still true today.
> 
> Doug
> 87 16v silver Scirocco "GTX"
> 81 8v red Scirocco "S"
> 90 16v 2.0 wht Passat wgn 5 speed
> http://home.t-online.de/home/Scirocco2/dougmk1.htm
> http://home.t-online.de/home/Scirocco2/doug16v.htm
> http://home.t-online.de/home/Scirocco2/doug.htm
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Foxx (in a box) <foxxinabox@core.com>
> To: Doug Teulie <IDougT@email.msn.com>
> Cc: Night Shadow <soltwede@ucsub.colorado.edu>; Brett Van Sprewenburg
> <brett@netacc.net>; scirocco-l@scirocco.org <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: Scirocco, a collectors car?
> 
> 
> >> What makes a classic collectable?
> >
> >  i must digress for the normal, "accepted" definition of "classic
> >collectable" and say that the only reason something is of that nature is
> >if someone wishes it to be. i love my scirocco, but i must say that i've
> >had many people ask/wonder 'what the hell is a scirocco?'. i've even had
> >one person think it was a merkur. one cannot take away the fact that a
> >car is a classic. it's over 25 years old (the "accepted" age for a
> >classic). whether it's collectable or not is entirely left up to the
> >individual. to me, it's a collectable. to daun it's certainly a
> >collectable (or, at least, an insane hobby :)  i don't see these cars as
> >being collectors items for a long time. i'm thinking that in, say, 40
> >years people will be looking at these cars like they do when they see an
> >old packard or studebaker on the road. i love my car and wouldn't trade
> >it for the world. besides, who care what the population thinks is a
> >classic car? i certainly don't. i drive a scirocco.
> >
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