RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over)

[Brian Honnold <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>]

Ok Ok,
I'll try for real.
Your sure it out of gear???  (couldn't resist)

When you turned the motor, how far did it turn before it when "wham"....and 
can you turn it back the other way at all.

Did you take the timing belt and all the other belts off the motor yet? 
 Any of the Alt, A/C compressor, timing belt associated things can cause 
enough resistance to make it hard or impossible to turn the motor by hand.

Why just yesterday here in the shop we had a quantum that was all bound up 
in a similar fashion due to a roasted A/C compressor clutch.

Brian Honnold
'78 Rocco Ragtop
'99 Passat GLX

On Wednesday, August 11, 1999 1:19 PM, William Yeckel (Volt Computer) 
[SMTP:a-willy@microsoft.com] wrote:
> :-] Don't quit you day job.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Honnold [mailto:bhonnold@pac-cap.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 12:44 PM
> To: scirocco-l
> Subject: RE: is it dead? was(Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over)
>
>
> Take it out of gear :-0
>
> Brian Honnold
> '78 Rocco Ragtop
> '99 Passat GLX
>
> On Wednesday, August 11, 1999 11:11 AM, William Yeckel (Volt Computer)
> [SMTP:a-willy@microsoft.com] wrote:
> > Hey people I have never had to deal with a blown engine before, but I
> think
> > I may have one now.  I took out the plugs, to avoid compression and 
then
> > tried to turn the engine by hand, and it will turned a little then 
"wham"
> it
> > stops cold.  So I took off the starter thinking in some wierd way that 
was
> > locking up the engine, and tried a hand turn again.  Nothin'.  So I 
took
> off
> > the valve cover to see if I could see anything wrong, nah.  So 
something
> is
> > not turning deeper inside the engine.  Is this #%@$%? thing toast???
> >
> > -Bill
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonas Karlsson [mailto:jkarlsso@metabolex.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:47 AM
> > To: scirocco-l; William Yeckel (Volt Computer)
> > Subject: RE: Roc with 84 GTI engine wont turn over
> >
> >
> > The click is the solenoid engaging,
> >
> > The fact that the engine turns with a wrench but not when the solenoid
> > engages means that there is a problem with the started. One of 2 things 
> > that I can think of.
> >
> > 1. It is dead
> > 2. Not enough juice is getting to it. Check the connections for
> > corrosion. Even though your battery is good, the juice might not be
> > getting to the starter.
> >
> > I would bet on a dead starter.
> >
> > Jonas
> > 85 Scirocco
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > bill yeckel wrote:
> > >Hello people I have been reading this list for a while, but now I
> > >need some
> > >advice.  I recently acquired a 79 scirocco with a 84 GTI 1.8L
> > >engine in it.
> > >And the thing wont turn over.  Here is what I have found so far.
> > >
> > >-The battery is fine(tested at 13v)
> > >-The engine is not frozen from rust, turned it with a wrench(this
> > >is what I
> > >suspected because the car has been sitting outside in the Seattle
> > >rain for a
> > >year and a half.  With out being run.)
> > >-When I turn the car over it make a click and then a chunk sound
> > >like its
> > >stuck.
> > >
> > >So I guess what I'm wondering is doesn't this sound like a
> > >starter
> > >problem???  Or is it timing?  Or...I was hoping someone might
> > >have some more
> > >info before I going digging into it even deeper.
> > >
> > >Thanks
> > >
> > >-Bill
> > >
> > >79 scirocco (still recovering from neglect)
> > >
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