well, i found some of the info that i was looking for. the zenders are 15X7" with an offset of +20. i believe that they're from a mid- to late-eighties bimmer. thanks for watching, have a good night! jason the mad bastard -- To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe scirocco-l" to majordomo@scirocco.org. If you experience other problems, email: scirocco-l-probs@scirocco.org