wow, you guys convinced me! i'm going to keep her. i mean, she costs a ton of money to keep alive, but i guess that's just the price of owning something unique. and i still think that 8Vs suck...well, compared to a 16V... jason the mad bastard -- To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe scirocco-l" to majordomo@scirocco.org. If you experience other problems, email: scirocco-l-probs@scirocco.org