okay I will bite which relay is it that controls this annoyance, and is that the only thing it controls? Ken 93 LX 5.0 85 Skeerock Wolfie 8v 89 Grand Am, needs timing chain - -- To subscribe or unsubscribe, send email to scirocco-L-request@scirocco.org, with your request (subscribe, unsubscribe) in the BODY of the message. ------------------------------